Spanish ex-member interview 2015 English
What follows is the transcript of the interview.
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Guillermo Altzate, who left the Twelve Tribes communities in the Basque country, leaving behind his wife who decided to stay, leaving him and their 3 children “for the love of Yahshua” recounts some of his experiences. Guillermo was interviewed in 2015 (to see the video click here) and here is the translated transcript:
R: Hi, good morning!. How long were you there for?.
G.A: For 7 years.
R: Do you mind if I ask you some questions?
G.A: Yes, for sure. I have nothing to win or to lose.
R: But you lost your wife, did you?
G.A: Yes, I did. I lost her because of the cult.
It all started there (pointing at the hill)
R: How did you get to know “Twelve tribes”?.
G.A: My wife and I were married and we also had a young daughter. And we were both keen on leading an eco-friendly lifestyle and healthy eating. And we were told about a community settled in Ulía (in San Sebastian). When we got to know them, this place seemed idyllic. That´s the way a cult likes to portray itself, doesn´t it?. To us it seemed like paradise on Earth, and we agreed that it would be a nice environment for us.
[Two of his three children were born inside the community]
R: Were your children allowed to have toys?.
G.A: No, they weren´t. We were told they lead to dissipation.
R: Were your children circumcised?.
G.A: Yes, in fact I did it myself. We could only hope for the best, we only had rudimentary tools.
R: And how was it done?.
G.A: It is very simple. We used a wooden ruler with a groove in the middle. The foreskin of the penis was put through there and it was cut with a sharp knife.
R: Did you children go to the doctor? Were they vaccinated?.
G.A: No, vaccines weren´t allowed at all. It was shunned by the cult. As soon as we came out they were vaccinated.
R: What is the ultimate goal of “Twelve Tribes”?.
R: This is the video that prompted the German State to rescue the children from the cult.
G.A : I did that so many times…
[Only now, years after leaving the community, does he admit using corporal punishment with rods in order to discipline his own children].
G.A: We had to use a rod and hit them in the hand, so there were no marks left behind. The idea behind that was that there was no evidence of practices of corporal punishment, so it was done in a clandestine way. They always insisted on that.
R: That no evidence remained?-
G.A: Exactly. We were also commanded to use the rod diligently, and never to turn a blind eye even to minor offences. We had to be disciplinarian. In Germany that is a clear case of child abuse, and the same abuse is happening here. Aren´t the laws against child mistreatment the same in Europe?.
There is also a very serious case involving a family that happened in the French branch of the cult. There was once an epidemy of something in France. A girl called Melea, which happened to be the same age as my daughter, became ill and died in the community. However that wasn´t made public and members were forbidden to tell anyone.
R: And where is she buried?
G.A: I don´t have a clue.
[He is referring to the most prominent community in Europe]