Prisoner of the Twelve Tribes-Spanish ex-member’s story

Original source: Interviú.es

also can be found in this site: Prisionero de las 12 Tribus

and the translated to English version was provided by Twelvetribes.com and can be found here

Marisa Carrio-8/20/07
Cheryl – owner of Twelve Tribes –ex web site translated this article from the Spanish

Guillermo Altzate and his family were ensnared into an ecoreligious group based in San Sebastian

 

They promote the healthy life in communion with nature; but, according to a former member, it is a group that “manipulates minds and uses dictatorial methods.” After seven years under its influence Guillermo managed to leave and to take his children.

They prepare for the return of the Messiah, and until that day, they live in communities scattered throughout the world. In Spain, they have chosen Irun and San Sebastian, in Guipuzcoa, Pravia (Asturias) and Nerja (Malaga). According to some former members, the objective of this group, known as the Twelve Tribes is to gather from each tribe 12,000 children “totally pure, not contaminated from society.” Only then will the return of the Messiah happen, they say. In France they have been investigated, and in the Basque country the Commission of Culture has on the table the ballot without solving of a whole of two communities of 85 persons who fail to educate their children. The Magistrate’s court number 1 of San Sebastian keeps open an investigation since 2002.

Guillermo Altzate has lived 7 years with them in the house they have on Mount Ulia in San Sebastian. He knows the particulars of the functioning of this group, from which he was expelled without his family because he would not conform. Seventy days of separation forever opened a gap in their immediate environment.

A post of natural products in a craft fair was the bait by which they gained his confidence and that of his wife: “In that time we were in a wave of healthy diet, which was just what they were offering.” After visiting the community in which they were living in apparent perfect harmony, Guillermo and his wife sought to join the group. “Then we were approximately 40 persons including the children. The house was sort of a shack that was gradually adapting and improving. It had seven rooms, one for every family. The rest slept in a caravan or tents. The bachelors slept together in a hay loft under the roof of the building. The house had two bathrooms and a kitchen for all”. Despite the austerity of the house, Guillermo and his family were happy: “the community seemed an ideal world,” he remembers.” Every week a family was designated to wake up the others and to take charge of the breakfasts. We woke up every day half an hour before sunrise for what we called “mincha”. All group members gather in a circle before sunrise. It’s a time to said nice things in the community. After the men lifted their hands and women cover their heads with a head covering and making supplications..

community house in Irun where Guillermo and his wife lived with their children

community house in Irun where Guillermo and his wife lived with their children

Then it was breakfast time and then a long workday. There were no timetables, so sometimes we worked through the night, says Guillermo. Work in the community consist of attending the bakery, to knead the bread and preparing jams, cookies and other natural products.” Also they worked in a small garden. The day of rest was Saturday, but free time did not include television or newspapers, or books, everything was prohibited. “There is a rule for everything, even how to eat and how they dress. Everything is insisted upon.”
Neither could they leave the residence, except in a group if it was decided to do some trip.

Neither doctor nor school

 

About fifty children aged between 6 and 17 years live in the Twelve Tribes in the Basque country. Births are natural and the males are circumcised. They neither goes to college no are provided with any type of health control. “Children do not receive gifts or toys or anything, says Guillermo Altzate. They have what is called “training”, which is like the school for children, where they learn to read and to write, the Bible and little else. The education that they receive is deplorable and has great lacks.. There are those who have not known a life outside the community”. In France Twelve Tribes has been investigated by the situation of the children. Guillermo does not speak about abuse, but he mentions that are forced into an absolute obedience to the parents.” We used a stick with which we beat them in the butt or in the hand when they did something wrong”. Despite the isolation in which they live, the community has no doctor.” The food is very healthy and the children rarely get sick, but there is only one person with knowledge of natural medicine”, says Guillermo.

 

Guillermo only took a month to be disillusioned: “the leaders spent the whole day speaking and discussing, while the rest did not stop working.” Once a week a ram’s horn sounded, announcing the group meeting and the beginning of what is known as a teaching. It is the moment in one of the teachers gives a lesson. He reads something that has come from America on behavior, emotions, offering a vision different from the world. All with the same objective: “they manipulate you causing you to assimilate the life (of the community) and that time does not belong to you and that it is the will of other people… that one directs your destiny. It was not acceptable  to express disagreement with the leaders, nor to confide secrets with other members. The punishment was excommunication: they did to you what we call ‘cut off from communion.’ You cannot lift your arms nor does your wife wear her head covering in moments of prayer. You are marked.”

Nobody has money in the group. They hand out anything they own to enter (the community). When he came to the brotherhood, he puts at the disposal of the leaders a small pension. It was all that he had. The money goes into a common fund. The group is financed also selling natural products in its shop of San Sebastian and in the fairs of the province. “In a weekend they earned 24,000 euros”, says Guillermo.

Screenshot from 2015-08-30 16:40:05The group promotes woman’s absolute submission to man. A husband will say at any moment what he wants his wife to do. Only the leaders’ wives can give orders and only to other women. A woman can never order a man. Guillermo and his wife saw the birth of two of their three children and saw them grow there for seven years of austere and isolated life. “We had no contact with anyone other than the group. Our children could not see the grandparents either. We were told that if we consented (to the grandparents seeing the children), it was preferable to stay with them permanently to avoid contaminating the rest”.

 

 

Screenshot from 2015-08-30 16:40:24

Guillermo’s wife and their children

 

The strict rules, the work loads and all the injustices pushed Guillermo to have confrontations with the leaders. And they drove him out: “they summoned me one morning and said to me that I had to leave the community”. He had to leave without his wife and his three children and with a garbage bag full of old clothes as the only baggage: “I rented a room in a pension and looked for work. After what for me was a sentence of 70 days in which I wrote fourteen letters to allow me to return, I summoned up the courage and I went back into the house”. To avoid scandals, the community decided to throw out the whole family. After four years of fictitious normal life, only a few months ago it became hellish again when he realized that his wife had remained psychologically hooked to the group. “One day I discovered that she had been corresponding with them all this time. I asked her to explain herself, but it was too late. She had decided to return to the community”.

The judge has given the custody of the children to Guillermo, and the mother has determined to see them once a month on Sunday afternoons. Between her family and the Twelve Tribes she prefers to continue being as a prisoner.

5 Comments On “Prisoner of the Twelve Tribes-Spanish ex-member’s story”

  1. I’ve lived in the twelve tribes comunitys in france, spain and uk, for about 18 months. the things this man says are not what i experienced there. the “beating” of the children is no more then an eucational slap, combined with the question if they understood what they did wrong, follewed bij forgivness and a hug.
    you do not have to agree on averything the leaders say. i know a man, living in the comunity of france, he does not belong to the group, nor has their faith. he is allowed to live there becose his wife and sond are there. he disagrees on pretty much anything there but he does so in respect. when i lived there (almost 20 years ago) he was already there for 5 years!!
    When i joined, i was not asked to give up all my possecions. most people do so voluntairy, but it is never obligated. when you leave they give you back you’re own stuff (and sometimes even more)
    everybody is allowed to leave at any time, it’s a religious comunity so shure you are brainwashed, same as in islam or christianity. they don’t even deny doing that. but you are at all times free to leave.

    During the years after i’ve left i’ve read many bad things about the tribes, most are lies from angry ex-members, some are half thruths. it sadens me becose i’ve been in many placesand i’ve met many people, but the people of the tribes are the most kind, honest and friendly people i’ve ever met. they reject violence, they reject drugs, they reject alcohol, they reject all bad things in the world and this may look strange to many, but this does not make them bad people.

  2. Thanks for sharing your experience, Rudi Vermeylen,
    given that the experience is from some 20 years ago, do you encounter any direction or change that happened over time?
    I also encounter testimonials from European branches of the group to be more lightweight as those from abroad, but I am just an outstander.
    Would You, as a person with rather positive experience in comparison to other testimonial briefly state why you left?
    Is it the cozyness, the closeness and grinding proximity of living in a group that intense, dedicated and small?

  3. It’s interesting how some people say other people’s experiences in the Twelve Tribes are lies. How could they know? Some people experience somethings in some communities at certain times that others do not experience, or do not experience right away, until living there longer. Guests will never know what members know. And someone that has grown up in the Tribes would know more than all of us. Those many young people that left, are they all liars also? To me the Twelve Tribes is a mix of many things. I liked most of the people i lived with in the commune homes. One thing stuck with me was what my household shepherd told us one day at a gathering: “We make people unable stand on their own two feet and survive in the world.” I was surprised he admitted this, but am grateful for his honesty. After awhile, i was dependent on the group for everything. Even how you think or if you think about some things. Having personal opinions is taught against. We were regularly told to “put your head on a shelf and stop thinking”"where did you learn how to think anyway? in the world”"you need to take off your head, and put on the mind of the body (the Tribes).”"Dead men don’t have opinions.”"You just need to die, and give up your life (to the Tribes&God).”We are the only true work of Yah(God) on earth since the apostles.”"You can’t be forgiven any other place.”"The Community is the container for the Holy Spirit.” “If you’re in the world, you have another spirit, a demon.” “We are the only people who will bring about the end of this evil world system.”"Jesus is a demon of Christianity.”"All of Christianity is demonic.”"This is the only place you can really be saved.” These are some of the lies that are communicated by the Twelve Tribes to members. But if you disagree, you’re the one who has the problems, the Tribes are never wrong, and especially their apostle Elbert Eugene Spriggs who is a false apostle. It’s very bad what he teaches people through his “Teachings” that “Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr. were evil men who deserved to die.” And “if you oppose the anointing” (apostle Spriggs/”Yoneq”), Yah(God) may kill you, he will oppose you, if you oppose ‘the Body of Yahshua’ (the Twelve Tribes).”
    They still support the Southern Confederacy and black slavery for all black people who do not join the Tribes.
    I still miss the communities in some ways, i always will, and the sincere people i knew. But you can be a nice and sincere person in a commune home, and still be sincerely wrong and brainwashed and duped and dependent and under false teachings, so these are some of the reasons i do not go back. Does that make any sense why i would feel this way? It’s not to be mean or angry, i got over that a long time ago, but i feel some people are taken advantage of like i was. I’ve also known members that later stole money from the community and then left and never came back. I don’t believe in communal living anymore. It just gives some people the opportunity to take advantage of others. But if you’re super insecure and need someone to tell you how to think and what to do 24/7, this might be the lifestyle for you. I fully support freedom of religion, but not freedom to take advantage of others, or to lie to protect a religion, or to break laws, which they have on a regular basis. In my opinion, if a person wants to come further out of the world system, the mennonites are a much more truthful and loving option than the Twelve Tribes, and even the name, they are not the “Twelve Tribes of Israel”, their “apostle” declared that. Another lie, perhaps well-meaning. But completely untrue. They try to be Jewish in some ways, but are not, they break the Sabbath every week in numerous ways and other laws that faithful Jewish people keep.

  4. Some children get hit alot more than others. I believe in spanking children for serious misbehavior, but not like the Twelve Tribes does for things like imaginary friends, playing pretend, making funny faces, and hanging around each other and talking with each other without an adult’s permission. There were many things i liked about the Tribes when i was a member, but basically one man has interpreted the Bible and how life should be for everyone in the commune houses, since he is the Apostle over all. I don’t like the bloody home circumcisions done on male babies and other males. The Tribes are trying to be Jewish, but they are not, yet they condemn all other Christians churches and organizations as part of the demonic Scarlet Whore mentioned in the Bible book of Revelation. Yet the Tribes use Christian Bibles and even sing some Christian songs. I also think their Cham teaching on black people is terrible, saying that black people should still be slaves to white people, unless they join the Tribes to be equal. The Tribes claim to be the only ones on earth that can be truly forgiven by God since the times of the early church and the only ones who truly have God’s Holy Spirit. They call their communities the container for the Holy Spirit. What nonsense and arrogance, lifting themselves so high above others. God can save anyone who is sorry for their sins and gives their life to Jesus. You don’t have to live in a Tribes commune home to be saved by God, but the Tribes teach you can’t be saved any other place on earth. So many lies they teach, yet i like many of the people there also. There were some fun times, but your life is very highly controlled. I gave them much money and never got any of it back when i left. But that is my fault. I started to see some very bad things about their “life of love” before i joined, but ignored my conscience because i wanted to belong there so bad. I was a fool. Most of the people i knew in the Tribes over the years have left, and most of the children end up leaving also when they grow up. There’s happiness there mixed with much unhappiness. That was my experience. Am sure Tribes communities vary from place to place depending on the leadership, and if the local leaders really love God and other people or not. Some are awful leaders, others are good leaders.

    • Andrew Sonne Ermocida

      Hello Eric, I too was just sent packing for the very same reasons you revealed. I too love the people and the healthy lifestyle. The one particular problem that cripples the twelve tribes is their stand on Israel. They have dug in their heels that the Nation state of Israel is irrelevant in Spiritual Israel. It is the only thing realy that hinders the people from having the full blessing of Yahweh. As I dearly love the people there and one particular Sister at Courtenay it saddens me to have had to stand firm in my understanding of salvation which is contrary to theirs but aligned with scripture. I will pray that the veil will be lifted and this beloved people would be humbled away from there very kind self righteousness, for in their certainty about Israel they are certainly deceived;

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