Comments on: Lying and Deception

By: Sarah

Sarah — Wed, 30 Aug 2017 04:04:56 +0000

Many thanks to the contributors to this site. As a mother whose ex-partner joined the TT, I find the resources here very useful. As someone with legal and forensic training, I am trying to build a balanced perspective supported by evidence. Ultimately I am trying to work out what is in the best interests of my child, who has to date had limited exposure to the group (never without my presence). I am under pressure from the group to increase our involvement, but I cannot justify agreeing. Much of my hesitancy stems from the huge gulf between the perspectives of the current members, on one hand, and ex-members, on the other hand. I think it’s very important that you continue to communicate your experiences, and to report news that might otherwise be silenced. There is always a public interest in airing both sides of any story. Please keep up the good work. X

By: dr jo hawkins

dr jo hawkins — Sat, 12 Aug 2017 01:47:08 +0000

very well said martin todd, very well said.

By: Martin Todd

Martin Todd — Mon, 31 Jul 2017 18:26:29 +0000

The fact that the this group by the many teachings coming from one man being Yoneq, which Peter warned about, believes it’s ok to Not tell the truth is no surprise since so many of his teachings add to the Word. Proverbs 30:6 Warns that…”Do not add to His words lest you be chastised and found a “Lair”. Also there are several commandments they don’t believe in obeying at face value due to this ones man’s opinions of adding to the word, from Luke 17:4 to women not talking or teaching as Timothy says, because it says in 1 John That if we claim to know Him and obey Him not we are “Lairs” and the truth is not in them. So it’s no wonder they say here that’s it OK not to tell the truth. Ex Member.

By: Johnex12t

Johnex12t — Tue, 22 Nov 2016 00:33:54 +0000

R: “So, what is the truth?”
CM: “I couldn’t tell you that because you wouldn’t understand.”

You can’t understand because you don’t have the holy spirit. Only a 12T member can understand that lying is not lying if you’re lying for a just cause. See, now you understand and anything that’s meant to protect the 12T & members is a just cause. Wasn’t that simple!
Unfortunately that also means that any interview with a 12T member is going to be filled with lies and generally avoiding the question.
If you come in the “wrong spirit” you are under an evil influence so lying to evil is not lying.