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		<title>Interview of ex-leader in Australian TT tribe 2020</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jan 2020 23:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott Czarnecki (Chen) joined the group before it was called the Twelve Tribes in 1979 in Chattanooga and left in 2009. Here is the interview by Australian A current Affair team and following is the uncut interview as filmed and commented on by Chen. Also here is the article which goes with the video interview:]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Czarnecki (Chen) joined the group before it was called the Twelve Tribes in 1979 in Chattanooga and left in 2009. Here is the interview by Australian A current Affair team and following is the uncut interview as filmed and commented on by Chen.<br />
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<p>Also<a href="http://question12tribes.com/what-drove-religious-elder-to-leave-controversial-cult/" target="_blank"> here is the article </a>which goes with the video interview:</p>
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		<title>Kate Wiseman interview on Phish female fans radio</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 07:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PART 1 OF INTERVIEW aired on October 13, 2019 Content Warning: This episode contains true stories of severe abuse Part one- 12 Tribes Cult- Interview with Kate Wiseman (ex-member), daughter of Ed Wiseman, the co-founder of the 12 Tribes Cult. Hear Kate&#8217;s experience of being born, bred and raised within this cult for 30 years....]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PART 1 OF INTERVIEW aired on October 13, 2019</p>
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<p>Content Warning: This episode contains true stories of severe abuse Part one- 12 Tribes Cult- Interview with Kate Wiseman (ex-member), daughter of Ed Wiseman, the co-founder of the 12 Tribes Cult. Hear Kate&#8217;s experience of being born, bred and raised within this cult for 30 years. In the first part of this interview, Kate speaks about the early years of the cult and her childhood. Kate shares her intimate &amp; tragic stories that are filled with the truth of her amazing life. This woman is so brave and incredibly strong. She speaks publicly for the first time&#8230;..</p>
<p>Source: <a href="https://phemalecentrics.simplecast.fm/bf00fb82?fbclid=IwAR06pBWugwSCb4_GQv_8BYQLUnyxL3CvqDuaNWaaMeYxNLzEzG4pzWBSR_I">Phemale-Centrics episode 40</a></p>
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<p>PART 2 OF INTERVIEW aired on October 27, 2019</p>
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<p>Content Warning: This episode contains true stories of severe abuse Part 2- 12 Tribes Cult Interview Hear Kate Wiseman, ex-member &amp; daughter of co-founder Ed Wiseman, continued story of her life on the inside of the 12 Tribes Cult. In this episode, Kate shares her story of her arranged marriage, the beginnings of “the bus” on Lots, her love of Phish and her happy ending!</p>
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<p>Source: <a href="https://phemalecentrics.simplecast.fm/4ee51332">Phemale-Centrics episode 41</a></p>
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		<title>Planned 12 Tribes deli stirs concern in South Bend</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 11:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SOUTH BEND — New businesses in South Bend are usually met with great enthusiasm, but a recently erected sign announcing a new “Yellow Deli” has caused controversy among some in North Pacific County. A photo of the deli’s swirling yellow logo was posted on Facebook within days of it appearing alongside U.S. Highway 101. The...]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SOUTH BEND — New businesses in South Bend are usually met with great enthusiasm, but a recently erected sign announcing a new “Yellow Deli” has caused controversy among some in North Pacific County.</p>
<p>A photo of the deli’s swirling yellow logo was posted on Facebook within days of it appearing alongside U.S. Highway 101. The poster and subsequent sharers on social media identified the Yellow Deli as one of many, all of which belong to a religious group called the Twelve Tribes.</p>
<p>The restaurant building at 702 Robert Bush Dr. W was purchased in October 2016 by The Yellow Deli South Bend LLC for $125,000, according to Pacific County Taxsifter. The limited liability corporation is based at an address on State Route 105 in Raymond, according to state records. Its registered agent is Todd Thiessen, with Jeremiah Carlin and Wade Skinner IV also shown in corporate roles.</p>
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<p>Growing awareness of the group’s plans to open a business in South Bend has generated intense interest. A local woman’s July 9 Facebook posting regarding Yellow Deli and Twelve Tribes was up to 329 comments and 37 shares by noon July 16. The tenor of comments ranges from hostility and calls for a boycott to defenses of their choice to live how they choose, so long as laws are obeyed.</p>
<p>A number of these individuals were careful to state that while they are concerned based on the research they have done, they are also willing to listen and be open-minded. The Twelve Tribes’ approach to physical discipline of children is a special area of concern for several commenters, along with objections to its stance on gender roles and other subjects.</p>
<p>It is unknown when the Yellow Deli is set to open. No business license is currently pending. The city manager declined to speak on the record about the deli.</p>
<h3>Got its start in 1972</h3>
<p>The first iteration of the group was in 1972, with the first Yellow Deli opening shortly thereafter in Tennessee.</p>
<p>Twelve Tribes now owns farms, hostels and Yellow Delis internationally — from Argentina to Australia, Canada to Spain — but this is their first known location in the state of Washington.</p>
<p>According to the Twelve Tribes website, members live communally “like an extended family, sharing all things in common, just as the first disciples did in the first century.”</p>
<p>All members are required to contribute 100% of their income to a “common purse” where funds are distributed to families and individuals equitably.</p>
<p>Income from the Yellow Deli will go directly into the same fund. Because of this system, those who work at the delis are unpaid and considered volunteers.</p>
<p>“We don’t have our own independent income or debts to carry by ourselves,” says their website.</p>
<p>The group invites interested parties to find out more about their community and beliefs with the Yellow Deli’s slogan, “We serve the Fruit of the Spirit, why not ask?”</p>
<h3>Some describe a ‘cult’</h3>
<p>This communal, faith-focused living may be seen as unconventional and may raise the eyebrows of more traditional folks, but these are not the issues that have caused so many to bristle at the thought of the new deli.</p>
<p>Twelve Tribes members consider themselves to be followers of Christianity, but those on the outside — including ex-members — frequently describe the group as a cult.</p>
<p>The Southern Law Poverty Center (SLPC) agrees.</p>
<p>In fact, SLPC published an article in 2018 that details the history and beliefs of the Twelve Tribes. The article, titled “Into Darkness: Inside an American White Supremacist Cult,” includes conversations with a number of former Twelve Tribe members, and leading religious scholars who have studied the group.</p>
<p>According to the article, one of the main tenets of their faith is based on the “The Curse of Ham,” in which Ham is cursed to “serve his brothers” forever.</p>
<p>Although the Bible does not describe the race of any of the characters in the story, white supremacists have long portrayed Ham as dark-skinned and his brothers as white, thereby using the Bible to not only justify the perpetuation of racism, but even to defend slavery.</p>
<p>Written teachings provided by ex-members of the group even go so far as to call Martin Luther King Jr. “evil” and to say, “It is horrible that someone would rise up to abolish slavery. What a marvelous opportunity that blacks could be brought over here to be slaves so that they could be found worthy of the nations.”</p>
<p>How children are raised in the community has also sowed some discomfort among county residents.</p>
<p>Adults in the community do not allow their children to attend college, and they openly encourage corporal punishment outside of what is generally considered acceptable. It is a stated practice to punish a child by spanking them “with a small reed-like rod, which stings but does not damage.”</p>
<p>Ex-members, however, contest this, alleging they have seen children severely and frequently beaten.</p>
<p>The Q&amp;A portion of the Twelve Tribes website does offer some insight into the minds and beliefs of Twelve Tribes members.</p>
<p>“Are you a cult?” is addressed directly. The response reads: “When a person uses the word cult he usually means some group he fears or dislikes. While we are, from time to time, called a cult, we are not false, unorthodox, or extremist.”</p>
<p>The website also provides an emphatic denial of racism.</p>
<p>However, the group makes no effort to deny anti-LGBT sentiment, stating “We do not approve of homosexual behavior. We do not regard it as a genetic variation, a valid alternative lifestyle, or a mere psychological quirk.”</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">The previously mentioned article from the SLPC says that the group has been known to brag about members who are “formerly gay.”</p>
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		<title>FBI Documents Show Alleged Child Sex Abuse</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2019 06:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WARNING: This article sensationalizes and exagerates even lies about what is actually in the FBI&#8217;s vault. But it also reflects the testimonies true, or not of those witnesses who spoke to the FBI. It will stay on this website until a better article summing up the FBI&#8217;s records is made public. So the reader is...]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WARNING: This article sensationalizes and exagerates even lies about what is actually in the FBI&#8217;s vault. But it also reflects the testimonies true, or not of those witnesses who spoke to the FBI. It will stay on this website until a better article summing up the FBI&#8217;s records is made public. So the reader is advised to look at source material and contrast it with the vast amount of information, ex-members&#8217; accounts, legal documents, academic writings, professional investigations, Twelve Tribes own material such as teachings, etc.</p>
<p>Source of article: <a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-documents-show-alleged-child-sex-abuse-drug-trafficking-at-twelve-tribes_2982534.html">The Epoch Times.com</a></p>
<p>Source of FBI records: <a href="https://vault.fbi.gov/twelve-tribes/twelve-tribes-part-01-of-01/view">FBI.gov</a></p>
<p>FBI records on Twelve Tribes in PDF file you can view and download: <a href="http://question12tribes.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/FBI-files-Twelve-Tribes-Part-01-of-01.pdf">FBI files Twelve Tribes Part 01 of 01</a></p>
<div>By <a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-bowen-xiao">Bowen Xiao</a></div>
<p>June 28, 2019 Updated: June 30, 2019</p>
<p>The FBI released redacted documents this week on the cult community known as the “Twelve Tribes,” revealing numerous allegations against the group, including child sexual <a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-abuse" target="_blank">abuse</a>, drug trafficking, ritual abuse, and forced labor.</p>
<p>The <a href="https://vault.fbi.gov/twelve-tribes/twelve-tribes-part-01-of-01/view" target="_blank">61-page document</a>—released by the bureau’s <a href="https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault/status/1143579629870931968" target="_blank">Vault library on June 25</a>—included separate complaints detailing the alleged crimes, mostly against children. The cult has communes all over the United States, including Vermont, New York, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Florida, California, Tennessee, and more.</p>
<p>In 2013, a preliminary investigation was conducted by the FBI, based on a complaint the bureau received from the Alexander County Sheriff’s Office in North Carolina that children were being “sexually exploited” at a Twelve Tribes compound in the town of Hiddenite. The case was closed the same year.</p>
<p>Twelve Tribes has communes around the world, with the Hiddenite location being one of its training centers.</p>
<p>Documents showed that drugs were used at the commune and placed into “ritual” bread—usually LSD and hallucinogenic plants, as well as heroin and meth. There were also ritual ceremonies once a month that involved the bread being broken and gang rapes.</p>
<p>Punishment within the cult involved being beaten with a rod and having the wife or children of the accused being sexually assaulted by other cult members. The sheriff’s office had been aware of the Hiddenite location since 2006 and that much of the land in the area was owned by the cult, since families who joined had to turn over their property.</p>
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<p>Members of the Hiddenite compound also allegedly were forced to go to a location and work all night and day for “three straight days,” in what was known as a “push” that involved three or six members. Those working were allowed to drink coffee that may have had something added to it to keep them awake.</p>
<p>In a prior complaint included in the released documents, a name that was redacted had contacted the public access line to report child sexual abuse in a Twelve Tribes commune located in Manitou Springs, Colorado. The person had said children were threatened not to tell the police or anyone else about the beatings or sexual abuse, and that the cult ran a restaurant in the area.</p>
<p>Yet another document, one from 2010, detailed how a former member was allegedly sexually and physically abused by cult members as a child but had repressed the memories. In 2009, the former member had seen a psychologist, who reported the abuse to local authorities, and had also contacted national leaders of the cult to inform them of her abuse. The former member also attended personal meetings with the cult leaders.</p>
<p>After a meeting on a date that was redacted, the former member was killed in a car crash that “was not accidental” and was allegedly “orchestrated” by cult members to prevent the woman from “propagating the claims of abuse.”</p>
<p>In the Twelve Tribe cult, members were also “allowed to punish any child belonging to the community.” The FBI document detailed how members would take their children to be “wooped,” meaning beaten, if they smiled at another child during a gathering, or if they were “horsing” around.</p>
<p>“Bigger children have missed ‘gathering’ for a couple of days at a time because they were beaten so badly and left in a condition where they could not attend,” the documents said, based on an interview with an FBI agent.</p>
<p>One former member said that they were once “locked in a cellar, beaten, and deprived of food.”</p>
<p>The release of the FBI documents came days after Keith Raniere, the former leader of purported self-help organization <a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-nxivm" target="_blank">NXIVM</a> was <a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/nxivm-leader-keith-raniere-found-guilty-on-all-counts_2970332.html" target="_blank">found guilty</a> on all charges at a Brooklyn federal court on June 19.</p>
<h2>NXIVM Collapse</h2>
<p>A federal jury, made up of eight men and four women, deliberated for less than five hours before finding Raniere guilty of all 7 criminal counts including sex trafficking, forced labor conspiracy, and racketeering.</p>
<p>Raniere listened attentively but showed no visible reaction as he learned the verdict. His sentencing is scheduled for Sept. 25.</p>
<p>The accusations against Raniere center around a secret society within the group—which he allegedly created in 2015—named <a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-dos" target="_blank" rel="noopener">DOS</a>, an acronym for the Latin “dominus obsequious sororium,” loosely translated as “master of the slave women.”</p>
<p>Prosecutors say Raniere was the “highest master” of <a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/t-dos" target="_blank" rel="noopener">DOS</a> and forced other members—all women—to have sex with him. Many of the DOS members were branded with a cauterizing pen while naked and being filmed.</p>
<p>Days ago, during closing arguments in the high-profile trial, assistant U.S. Attorney Moira Penza <a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/trial-begins-for-nxivms-leader-as-first-witness-testifies_2911115.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">alluded to the prosecution’s May 7 opening statements</a>, telling the jury that Raniere was chiefly after “sex, money, power.”</p>
<p>Penza brought up the testimony of former NXIVM members, including one identified by prosecutors as “Daniela,” who had spoken about being locked up in a room for nearly two years after Raniere found out she had kissed another man. Another member, identified as Sylvie, testified about being <a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/witness-recounts-being-forced-into-sex-act-with-nxivms-leader_2912731.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">forced into a sex act</a> with the leader. Another, a senior board member, detailed Raniere’s <a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/senior-member-breaks-down-in-court-over-nxivms-horrible-evil_2915415.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">manipulation and fraud</a>.</p>
<p>The verdict comes after a 7-week long trial. Raniere could face a maximum sentence of life in prison.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Source: Pulpit and Pen by News Division · Published April 13, 2019 · Updated April 14, 2019 Before I told this story, I wanted enough time to pass to de-escalate a highly volatile situation. But, it’s a story that needs to be told. A little more than a year ago, I made contact with a...]]></description>
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<p>Before I told this story, I wanted enough time to pass to de-escalate a highly volatile situation. But, it’s a story that needs to be told.</p>
<p>A little more than a year ago, I made contact with a family who attended a satellite Bible study in a town an hour away from our church facility, which is one Bible study of several I do in communities away from home. This is my way of helping to connect families that travel a good distance to church and may not be able to attend a mid-week study and it helps to build a teaching presence away from home, being faithful to the Great Commission.</p>
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<p>The family seemed fine enough, sincere in their beliefs, solid in their convictions, and devout. Within a short time, they decided to move closer to us to partake in our weekly Lord’s Day gatherings, and we added them to the Body of the Church by a vote of the congregation. As a matter of due diligence, I spoke to one of their former pastors and asked for a recommendation. The pastor told me that the gentleman, who I will call <em>Kepha</em> – his cult name – would be commended for membership but that he once had a troubling episode and shared with me various ‘signs’ to be on the lookout for in regards to his mental health. Because of clergy-penitent privilege, he did not tell me more.</p>
<p>I should have asked for more specifics.</p>
<p>For several months, the family integrated themselves into the church and I gave him various service responsibilities, like turning on the lights and making the coffee on Sunday morning (we want all of our members to serve in some capacity). It seemed well enough.</p>
<p>However, mid-summer, Kepha began to show signs that something wasn’t right mentally, and certain of the indicators mentioned to me by his former pastor had manifested themselves.</p>
<p>While on summer vacation with my family, Kepha told me of a conspiracy involving a long-standing member of our church (he had been at my church longer than me), which sounded fanciful and not true to the man’s character or the nature of reality. It seemed to me he was spiraling into a world of fantasy.</p>
<p>It was during this time that Kepha became intensely interested in the ‘ministry’ work of Servus Christi, a pseudonymous online YouTube host (whose real identity I still don’t know, but I know it’s questioned by many) who I previously had encountered in my polemics work. Servus Christi is a Sectarian Minimalist and seems to hate the ‘organized church.’ He also did videos attacking me, Dr. John MacArthur, Paul Washer, and others. Kepha would call me frantically and ask, “Have you seen Servus Christi’s new video? Paul Washer is a Jesuit!”</p>
<p>I would settle his fears by calling HeartCry, getting the facts that Servus Christi had twisted, and reaffirm to Kepha the truths that had been perverted by the YouTube personality. Ultimately, Kepha became convinced that of all those criticized by Servus Christi, only Paul Washer seemed legitimately Christian. I, of course, vehemently and diligently deposed those fears as irrational.</p>
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<p>However, upon the fanciful accusation regarding this mutual church member, I called and asked his former pastor for more information.</p>
<p>I was shocked to discover the extent of his (what I viewed to be) psychosis and its previous outbursts that led to fear of the pastor – at one point – for his life. I then relayed to Kepha that I was concerned for his mental health.</p>
<p>Then, I asked our church’s security team leader to communicate directly with his previous church’s security team leader for the details, wanting to avoid gossip or tattling and letting those who make security judgement calls make them. After they spoke, it was determined that he was a potential physical risk to the Body and we issued a security memo that he would not be allowed into the facility without first getting a mental health evaluation that the church would pay for.</p>
<p>As he was spiraling, I asked a ‘famous’ friend of mine – who Kepha still claimed to admire – to speak with him. I thought he might be able to get through. My friend agreed to speak with him, but Kepha would not speak to him.</p>
<p>I approached the local police department and asked if they had someone in the public area where two members of our security team and a fellow elder (and myself) would meet with Kepha to explain the security memo. We explained to Kepha that evening that this was not a matter of church discipline, that he was not removed from the Church Body (because this would violate our principles of Matthew 18 and due process) but was a temporary security measure independent of ecclesiastical discipline. I never saw the police that night in the area.</p>
<p>Kepha then made various accusations about me (including that I was a Jesuit and some other weird things), at which point we asked him to pick two witnesses and take them his concerns (in accordance to Matthew 18), while yet insisting that he also receive a mental health evaluation. His witnesses, by the way, investigated his accusations in spite of their seemingly fanatical nature, as a part of due diligence, and determined them invalid. These were witnesses, by the way, that<em> he</em> chose to determine his case.</p>
<p>Shortly after this meeting, he grew apparently worse. I again spoke to the police and explained how I believed him to be a threat to himself and others.</p>
<p>We explained to the church that Sunday in a special business meeting our security memo, and that it was not a matter of church discipline, but of mental health.</p>
<p>A few days after, I drove to Grand Forks for the Pirate Christian Radio Conference, where my acquaintances, Chris Rosebrough and Phil Johnson were speaking. While there, it became quite apparent that Kepha had ‘gone off the rails’ via text.</p>
<p>I was sitting at a table with the aforementioned speakers when I got a text from him introducing himself as “Kepha,” which is a transliteration of Cepha, or Peter, and a last name that in the original tongue means, “the glorious one.”</p>
<p>I looked at Phil, showed him the text messages, and said, “I’ve got to get home.” I thought I was speaking to a demon, which even as a Cessationist, I believe in.</p>
<p>Kepha then began to reference Eugene Spriggs, who at the time I did not know. It became apparent that Spriggs had some kind of religious affiliation with Kepha, and that Kepha was also texting members of another, unknown congregation of people, along with me and a few other members of the security team.</p>
<p>I then became a quick expert on the 12 Tribes, or the Cult of the Yellow Deli, as I drove home the six-plus hours from Rosebrough’s church. I wrote a synopsis about this cult on August 13, which <a href="https://pulpitandpen.org/2018/08/13/twelve-tribes-cult-summary/">you can find here</a>.</p>
<p>Essentially, the 12 Tribes is a Judaizing cult that began to attract young hippies and those of the “Jesus People” movement in 1972. Spriggs, its founder, claimed to be the reincarnated prophet, Elijah, in 1982. Founded in Chattanooga, the cult spread from state to state, centering each location around a cafe called ‘The Yellow Deli.” The diner would attract patrons, who would then be inundated with cult propaganda and eventually join the Yellow Deli as a free laborer, money-maker, and follower of Spriggs.</p>
<p>Suddenly, things began to come together. The ultra-controling and hovering over children was present in their parenting (the 12 Tribes doesn’t allow children play with other children). They forbade themselves from eating pork. When I asked them about this, worried about possible Judaizing, Kepha claimed it was health-related and not religious-oriented. I rolled my eyes (because bacon is awesome), but considered it a matter of liberty. It should have been a red flag.</p>
<p>Driving home was the longest six hours of my life. Kepha began to send video after video from “Christian rappers” with violent lyrics. He made implicit threats. He was near the home of at least one security team member, who immediately left work to guard and be near his family. Kepha then began to refer to his wife by her cult name and seemed to indicate that he was operating some kind of nebulous plan orchestrated by the other people in this text conversation (who I did not at the time know). I called the police again to apprise them of this potential threat to our community.</p>
<p>I told my wife to leave the home and go to the country at a church member’s house. However, as we realized he was an hour away in a different town, my wife came back, feeling as things were fine. We thought, perhaps, we had overreacted to the threat. My wife and family went back home and I stopped in a community an hour away for Bible study. It was there that I got a text that he was heading to my home and was back in my town.</p>
<p>I immediately told my wife to flee and left back again for home, as quickly as I could go.</p>
<p>Then, I got a text from Kepha that my “son had a message for [me].” Seconds later my wife called to say that as she was preparing the vehicle to leave and gathering up belongings, Kepha drove by my house, made a threatening gesture to my son, and said what we – and ultimately, the police, a prosecutor, and a judge – considered to be a threat.</p>
<p>My wife had panicked, believing that she had left her keys in the house and with the house locked, had the children in the vehicle but no way to leave or go back in the house. I instructed her to go to a nearby location that had been pre-staged for emergencies, and to lock herself and the children inside and shoot whoever came to kick down the door. She was terrified.</p>
<p>I first called my neighbor, because I knew he would get to my home faster than law enforcement, who immediately went to do the job of a good neighbor and patrol the area as a Citizen. I then called 911 and asked them to dispatch officers to my home. Then, I called our security team leader.</p>
<p>My wife realized she did, in fact, have her keys after-all (her adrenaline was sky-rocketing), and was able to rendezvous with the security team who took her to one of several undisclosed locations where it would be hard for them to be found. The police arrived at roughly the same time as church security, two of whom waited at my home until I arrived in the event Kepha returned. The police instructed my wife to come into the station, but I believed my family was safer with the security team for the moment and explained I would come into town first and personally retrieve them.</p>
<p>When I went to the station upon arrival, I explained the concern. The police were polite but reluctant to arrest the suspect based only upon my testimony. Ultimately, they looked at the text messages I had received and ascertained the specific legal infractions he had committed.</p>
<p>When police arrived, they found him belligerent and, indeed, troubled. I’ve seen the footage from the police car in which he threatened both me and the police officer. After arriving at the jail, he vandalized his cell, a charge for which he later pled guilty. He eventually wound up medicated and taken to the hospital. Reports from jailers indicate he considered himself and was calling himself Yahweh, or a variant thereof.</p>
<p>We again notified the church body, and held a vote to remove the man under discipline per <a href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Titus%203.10" target="_blank" data-reference="Titus 3.10" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference">Titus 3:10</a>. The church voted unanimously. We also notified his wife through another church that we would – through them – extend any type of financial help, food assistance, or the like to help them while he was in custody.</p>
<p>Upon his release from jail after several days, he was given the condition of GPS monitoring, I was assigned a victim’s advocate (who was <em>fantastic </em>at her job, by the way), and I filed a restraining order while a temporary order of protection was put immediately into service.</p>
<p>Twenty or so days later, we held the trial for the permanent restraining order while criminal charges were still pending. It was an incredibly long ordeal, while Kepha and his wife appeared to try to filibuster the proceedings (that’s my subjective take) and were rebuked on numerous occasions by the judge for acting out of order.</p>
<p>When asked how long a restraining order I wanted, I said that I wanted as long as I could get. The judge stated that “the Hall children” shouldn’t have to live in fear and gave me – what I’ve since been told – is the longest restraining order in Montana history…20 years so that all of my children will reach adulthood before it’s up. My wife and I, and also our oldest children, carry an official state-issued Order of Protection card with his name and face on it.</p>
<p>One of Kepha’s last questions to the judge is if he could, in spite of the restraining order, work with someone on YouTube (I presume Servus Christi) to “expose me.” Ultimately, the judge ordered that he not ever do anything that might harass or distress me and went so far as to take away Kepha’s rights to own a firearm (which is not uncommon in such cases with restraining orders).</p>
<p>In working with the prosecution and speaking to parole and my victims’ advocate, they seem to have a consensus that his involvement in the 12 Tribes played an important role in his behavior and outbursts.</p>
<p>My sincere belief is that the 12 Tribes sent Kepha to my church, and before that another one very similar to mine, to disrupt it. Eventually, Kepha was charged with Privacy in Communications, which is harassment via electronic communications, for which he received a pre-trial diversion after going through two court-appointed attorneys. Kepha was intent on having a trial (even though he pled guilty to other charges relating to the incident), but I was content with the convictions already obtained by the prosecution so that he would have something on his criminal record that might inform others of his potential threat.</p>
<p>Before they left town and moved away, they changed the wife’s name to her singular (first name only) cult name.</p>
<p>To this day, Kepha is still being monitored by GPS as a condition of his pre-trial diversion and is heavily watched by the monitoring serving. I’ve been told by his attorney that he might also hold the record for the amount of time (at least in his experience) that someone has spent on GPS monitoring.</p>
<p>WHAT SHOULD WE LEARN?</p>
<p><strong>First</strong>, since this incident, we have changed our church’s by-laws to require a criminal background check of all new members (not just children’s workers). A criminal background does not preclude or prevent membership but serves the purpose of informing the security team.</p>
<p><strong>Second</strong>, I have also committed to being much more in depth when speaking to the former pastors of potential members. It is necessary. And frankly, I should have caught it sooner.</p>
<p><strong>Third</strong>, a criminal background check is not enough. There should be a religious background check to make sure you’re not accidentally admitting a dangerous cult member into your church. I and P&amp;P are capable of this, but most people are not, and service should be provided to churches to look at social media or provide a questionnaire of some kind to rule out the possibility that someone has been or still is a part of a dangerous cult.</p>
<p><strong>Fourth</strong>, our church and my family has only strengthened (and continue to strengthen) our personal security measures. I have also previously contacted the local FBI field office after receiving threats and I have since then had to contact the FBI in relation to other threats. Needless to say, we have done as much as we can to assure our facilities are as safe as possible and well-monitored through every possible avenue and resource.</p>
<p><strong>Fifth</strong>, this has only strengthened my presupposition that I – and not law enforcement – am the first line of defense. I notified the police numerous times. I appreciate – and love – my local law enforcement, but had I relied on them for protection and not my church security (and my home security) it could have gone very badly.</p>
<p>The most terrifying aspect of all of this is that Kepha <em>warned me</em> he was coming to my home after sending me threats all day long, and he did so ominously. He did not know that I was away from home, but believed I was there. We believed he intended us physical harm. He knew that armed self-defense is way of life for me and he knew (from our personal relationship) that had I been home, this very likely would have ended very <em>violently</em> and very <em>badly</em>. I believe in my heart that’s <em>what he wanted</em>.</p>
<p>I timed this article both to provide distance from the original incident to allow Kepha time to seek help and calm down, and also so that it would be published before his time on GPS monitoring was up.</p>
<p>It is a very, very dangerous world out there. Pastors, watch yourselves and your flock closely.</p>
<p>In the meantime, the 12 Tribes and Cult of the Yellow Deli is still a thing, and they’re still dangerous.</p>
<p>If you have Hulu – the video streaming service available online and Roku – you can watch <a href="https://www.hulu.com/series/cults-and-extreme-belief-732b89b1-7af0-4bed-9a28-6ca51d2b1e69" target="_blank">episode 6</a> of “Cults and Extreme Belief,” which deals exclusively with the 12 Tribes cult. It’s fascinating. Or, the episode should be available anywhere you can stream original programming from A&amp;E.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Source: Patheos.com April 13, 2019 by David G. McAfee 4 Comments If you can’t imagine what it’s like to be sucked into a religious cult, you should read this new book. The Kindle version of Better Than A Turkish Prison, which gives an inside look into a popular religious cult, is out now by Hypatia...]]></description>
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<p>If you can’t imagine what it’s like to be sucked into a religious cult, you should <a href="https://amzn.to/2X9k1Gd">read this new book</a>.</p>
<figure id="attachment_3859"><a href="https://amzn.to/2X9k1Gd"><img class="alignleft" alt="I did the editing!" src="https://wp-media.patheos.com/blogs/sites/780/2019/04/56835703_336580093635464_7667504818025398272_n.jpg" width="293" height="461" data-pagespeed-url-hash="4135054572" /></a><br />
<figcaption>The Kindle version of <em>Better Than A Turkish Prison</em>, which gives an inside look into a popular religious cult, is out now by <strong>Hypatia Press</strong>!</figcaption>
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<p>A lot of people, especially those of us who are atheists and skeptics, don’t know what it’s like to be religious. But even fewer understand how it’s possible to fall into a strict religious <em>cult</em>. That’s exactly what happened to the author of this book, and he tells the whole story in his own words.</p>
<p>In his case, the cult is the Twelve Tribes, “a confederation of twelve self-governing tribes” that claims to be “disciples of the Son of God whose name in Hebrew is Yahshua.”</p>
<p>From the cult’s own website:</p>
<blockquote><p>“We follow the pattern of the early church in Acts 2:44 and 4:32, <strong>truly believing everything that is written in the Old and New Covenants of the Bible</strong>, and sharing all things in common.”</p></blockquote>
<figure id="attachment_3865"><a href="http://www.twelvetribes.com/media/main"><img class="alignright" alt="That poor little girl..." src="https://wp-media.patheos.com/blogs/sites/780/2019/04/12-Tribes.png" width="461" height="259" data-pagespeed-url-hash="3855085546" /></a><br />
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<p>The author,<strong> Sinasta J. Colucci</strong>, tells a deeply personal story about his many encounters with the infamous Twelve Tribes group. And it shows exactly how it’s possible for anyone to fall in with a cult, provided the circumstances push them in that direction.Here is some background from the text on the back cover:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Better Than a Turkish Prison</em> is the <strong>true story</strong> of a needy young man who encounters a religious cult known as “The Twelve Tribes”. With no better options in sight, he <strong>decides to join them in their pursuit to build the kingdom of God on Earth</strong>. After years of brainwashing and servitude, he must <strong>break free from a powerful delusion in his search for freedom and truth</strong>. Not merely a deeply personal portrayal of one man’s struggles, this book also serves as a <strong>critical analysis of religious ideals and their effects on humanity</strong> as the author divulges his presently held beliefs.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whether you’ve heard of the Twelve Tribes cult or not, I highly recommend the book <em>Better Than a Turkish Prison</em>.</p>
<p>Yours in Reason,</p>
<p>David</p>
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<p>It was Arcadia. Very small town on the Peace River near Port Charlotte and Fort Myers. Although there is an Agricultural extension of South Florida University in the town, I don&#8217;t think they try to recruit there. (They wouldn&#8217;t have much luck if they did.) The town is known as the antique capitol of Florida (which is why I was there) and is famous for it&#8217;s rodeo.<a title="Collapse" href="https://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=default&amp;f=no-sacred-cows&amp;t_i=3856%20https%3A%2F%2Fadmin.patheos.com%2Fblogs%2Fnosacredcows%2F%3Fp%3D3856&amp;t_u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patheos.com%2Fblogs%2Fnosacredcows%2F2019%2F04%2F12-tribes-cult-exposed-from-the-inside-in-new-book%2F&amp;t_e=%26%238220%3B12%20Tribes%26%238221%3B%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;t_d=%E2%80%9C12%20Tribes%E2%80%9D%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;t_t=%26%238220%3B12%20Tribes%26%238221%3B%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;s_o=default&amp;l=#" name="Collapse" data-action="collapse"></a></p>
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<p>I got to know one of these groups in central Florida 2 years ago. They were planning on opening one of their Yellow Delis near the downtown area. (Maybe they have by now.) They (meaning the leader of the group) owned a rambling mansion in the historic district, where the 15 to 20 of them lived communally. They were nice, talkative and always inviting anyone to come to dinner on Friday night. An aquaintance of mine was always after me to go sometime, but I was afraid of what I might say. From what I had been told, the women and men ate separately, with the women doing all the cooking and serving. They could then eat after the men were finished. The children were spookily well behaved. They weren&#8217;t allowed toys or games as these were seen as a waste of time better spent doing chores and learning from the patriarch. They were allowed to ride bikes.<br />
They weren&#8217;t quite like the Amish, as they made use of cars and power tools (good carpenters). But they did wear very plain clothes, (probably all cotton of course).<br />
I looked up some articles about them years ago and discovered that the Twelve Tribes groups that opened Yellow Delis were getting in trouble for not paying any wages to their members who <b>volunteered</b> to work in their deli. (True communism at work)<a title="" href="https://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=default&amp;f=no-sacred-cows&amp;t_i=3856%20https%3A%2F%2Fadmin.patheos.com%2Fblogs%2Fnosacredcows%2F%3Fp%3D3856&amp;t_u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patheos.com%2Fblogs%2Fnosacredcows%2F2019%2F04%2F12-tribes-cult-exposed-from-the-inside-in-new-book%2F&amp;t_e=%26%238220%3B12%20Tribes%26%238221%3B%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;t_d=%E2%80%9C12%20Tribes%E2%80%9D%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;t_t=%26%238220%3B12%20Tribes%26%238221%3B%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;s_o=default&amp;l=#" name="Vote up" data-action="upvote"></a></p>
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<p>Is this in the Orlando area? Are these people active in any FL college campuse<a title="Vote up" href="https://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=default&amp;f=no-sacred-cows&amp;t_i=3856%20https%3A%2F%2Fadmin.patheos.com%2Fblogs%2Fnosacredcows%2F%3Fp%3D3856&amp;t_u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patheos.com%2Fblogs%2Fnosacredcows%2F2019%2F04%2F12-tribes-cult-exposed-from-the-inside-in-new-book%2F&amp;t_e=%26%238220%3B12%20Tribes%26%238221%3B%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;t_d=%E2%80%9C12%20Tribes%E2%80%9D%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;t_t=%26%238220%3B12%20Tribes%26%238221%3B%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;s_o=default&amp;l=#" name="Vote up" data-action="upvote"></a><a title="Vote down" role="button" href="https://disqus.com/embed/comments/?base=default&amp;f=no-sacred-cows&amp;t_i=3856%20https%3A%2F%2Fadmin.patheos.com%2Fblogs%2Fnosacredcows%2F%3Fp%3D3856&amp;t_u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patheos.com%2Fblogs%2Fnosacredcows%2F2019%2F04%2F12-tribes-cult-exposed-from-the-inside-in-new-book%2F&amp;t_e=%26%238220%3B12%20Tribes%26%238221%3B%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;t_d=%E2%80%9C12%20Tribes%E2%80%9D%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;t_t=%26%238220%3B12%20Tribes%26%238221%3B%20Cult%20Exposed%20from%20the%20Inside%20in%20New%20Book&amp;s_o=default&amp;l=#" name="Vote down" data-action="downvote"></a></p>
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		<title>Samie Brosseau</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2018 22:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“My worst day as a free soul is far better than my best day in captivity.” Samie Brosseau runs Liberation Point, a charitable organization that helps people who come out of cults integrate into society: Here are the links to articles and videos about Samantha  (Samie) Brosseau, from more recent to older June 2018: A&#38;E...]]></description>
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<blockquote><p><em>“My worst day as a free soul is far better than my best day in captivity.”</em></p>
<p>Samie Brosseau runs <a href="https://www.liberationpoint.org/">Liberation Point</a><a href="https://venniekocsis.com/2017/11/10/liberation-point/">,</a> a charitable organization that helps people who come out of cults integrate into society:</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Here are the links to articles and videos about Samantha  (Samie) Brosseau, from more recent to older</strong></p>
<p>June 2018: <a href="https://d.tube/#!/v/nerdpicker/kytbawoa">A&amp;E documentary Cults and extreme beliefs-Twelve Tribes-Samie Brosseau</a></p>
<p>December 2012: <a title="What’s your story? Samie Brosseau" href="http://question12tribes.com/whats-your-story-samie-brosseau/">What&#8217;s your story?</a></p>
<p>July 2010:<a title="From Commune to College: One Young Woman’s Road to Independence" href="http://question12tribes.com/from-commune-to-college-one-young-womans-road-to-independence/"> From commune to college, one young woman&#8217;s road to independence</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Source: Well insiders Amy Flyntz June 25, 2018 For many green beauty brands, a retail launch means initially putting forth products that have been formulated by the founder’s own hands. As the brand grows, manufacturing may be outsourced, making transparency and accountability further removed and murkier to navigate. This appears to be the case for...]]></description>
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<p>For many green beauty brands, a retail launch means initially putting forth products that have been formulated by the founder’s own hands. As the brand grows, manufacturing may be outsourced, making transparency and accountability further removed and murkier to navigate. This appears to be the case for Acure Organics and Savannah Bee, green beauty brands who recently found their names <a href="https://www.beautyindependent.com/inside-edition-child-labor-personal-care-factory-acure-savannah-bee-brands-retailers-influencers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">tied to a child labor investigation involving their manufacturing facility</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.greenerformulas.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Greener Formulas</a>, located in Cambridge, New York, is a certified organic manufacturing facility that recently came under scrutiny from a larger investigation surrounding the <a href="https://www.thedailybeast.com/twelve-tribes-the-church-preached-child-abuse-and-slavery" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Twelve Tribes religious sect</a>. Accusations of children as young as <a href="https://nypost.com/2018/06/05/religious-cult-probed-for-child-labor-after-factory-expose/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">nine years old working on assembly lines</a> have come to light, with the mention of 12 other minors working in the facility.</p>
<p>For their parts, both Acure and Savannah Bee have come out strongly against Greener Formulas and have since parted ways with the manufacturer. An<a href="https://www.beautyindependent.com/inside-edition-child-labor-personal-care-factory-acure-savannah-bee-brands-retailers-influencers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"> Acure spokesperson has said,</a> “The serious allegations raised against the facility in Cambridge, New York, are abhorrent and go against our values as a company.”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.beautyindependent.com/inside-edition-child-labor-personal-care-factory-acure-savannah-bee-brands-retailers-influencers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Ted Dennard, founder of Savannah Bee, said,</a> “We take great pride in our products, from the ingredients we use to the way they are produced. Our company values and policies do not tolerate child labor. Our contracts with all of our manufacturing vendors explicitly prohibit any child labor. Any manufacturing vendor found to be violating our contract in this manner is also violating our company values and standards.”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.beautyindependent.com/inside-edition-child-labor-personal-care-factory-acure-savannah-bee-brands-retailers-influencers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Acure went on to tell green beauty retailer Credo,</a> which sells their products, “While we are no longer working with Greener Formulas, we have previously used them to produce a small amount of select certified organic products. This contract was based on our confidence in the facility’s USDA Organic Certification, which requires manufacturers to meet rigorous standards and undergo an annual review and inspection process. We never knowingly had a contract with the Twelve Tribes organization. As part of our commitment to supply chain transparency, we are currently working with a third-party auditor to review all of our manufacturing facilities and will be publishing the audits as soon as they become available.”</p>
<p>As the demand for transparency by consumers continues to grow, third party manufacturers will need to be held to the same high standards as the founders who are using them. Knowing where ingredients come from, how they are sourced, what an ethical supply chain looks like and how and where products are formulated will help keep the green beauty community accountable on every level.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Source: WNYT News Channel 13 June 06, 2018 04:29 PM CAMBRIDGE &#8211; The Twelve Tribes community in Cambridge is pushing back against labor violations state investigators say they found involving minors. NewsChannel 13 went back to the commune Wednesday. Members say there weren&#8217;t 12 people, let alone 12 children at the Common Sense Packaging Facility...]]></description>
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<p>CAMBRIDGE &#8211; The Twelve Tribes community in Cambridge is pushing back against labor violations state investigators say they found involving minors.</p>
<p>NewsChannel 13 went back to the commune Wednesday.</p>
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<p>Members say there weren&#8217;t 12 people, let alone 12 children at the Common Sense Packaging Facility when the Department of Labor visited this week, so they don&#8217;t know how they received 12 violations.</p>
<p>Labor Department investigators visited the community after &#8220;Inside Edition&#8221; aired hidden camera footage purporting to show child labor.</p>
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<p>The community says &#8220;occasional visits&#8221; of children to its soap factory and farm do not violate child labor laws.</p>
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		<title>State finds &#8216;multiple&#8217; child labor law violations at Twelve Tribes Farm</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Source: TimesUnion Inside Edition first exposed potential child workers at Cambridge cosmetics factory By Larry Rulison Updated 7:23 am, Wednesday, June 6, 2018 CAMBRIDGE — The state Labor Department found multiple violations of state child labor laws at the Common Sense Farm in Washington County after visiting the Twelve Tribes commune on Monday following an &#8220;Inside...]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h5>Source: <a href="https://www.timesunion.com/business/article/Inside-Edition-airs-video-alleging-child-labor-12965339.php#item-85307-tbla-5" target="_blank">TimesUnion</a></h5>
<h5>Inside Edition first exposed potential child workers at Cambridge cosmetics factory</h5>
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<p>By <a href="https://www.timesunion.com/author/larry-rulison/">Larry Rulison</a></p>
<h5 title="2018-06-06T07:23:36Z">Updated 7:23 am, Wednesday, June 6, 2018</h5>
<p>CAMBRIDGE — The state Labor Department found multiple violations of state child labor laws at the Common Sense Farm in Washington County after visiting the Twelve Tribes commune on Monday following an &#8220;Inside Edition&#8221; expose.</p>
<p>The potential violations involved 12 minors and fines from the cases could reach tens of thousands of dollars.</p>
<p>Every child under the age of 18 in this state has a right to be protected by the Child Labor Law, and we take our enforcement responsibilities seriously,&#8221; state Labor Commissioner Roberta Reardon said in a statement. &#8220;Children are our most valuable asset and compliance with the Child Labor Law is not discretionary. It&#8217;s mandatory.&#8221;</p>
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<p>&#8220;Inside Edition&#8221; ran its blockbuster TV report last Friday in which it used hidden camera video to show underage children working at the Twelve Tribes cosmetics packaging factory in Cambridge.</p>
<p>Twelve Tribes is a Christian religious sect that operates a farm and commune in Cambridge called the Common Sense Farm.</p>
<p>The group has come under suspicion for child labor violations in the past and is best known for its eclectic chain of  bohemian-style cafes called the Yellow Deli that have locations in places like Oneonta, Oak Hill and Rutland, Vt.</p>
<p>&#8220;Inside Edition&#8221; says it had a former Twelve Tribes member, Sarah Williams, visit the factory in Cambridge with an <a href="https://www.insideedition.com/undercover-investigation-exposes-child-labor-new-york-compound-43812" target="_blank">undercover camera videotaping the episode</a>.</p>
<p>In the video posted online by Inside Edition, Williams is seen talking to a girl next to an assembly line. Williams asks her age, and her dad appears to try and put her at ease.</p>
<p>&#8220;She&#8217;s not Secret Service,&#8221; the dad tells the girl on the video.  &#8220;She&#8217;s not Child Labor.&#8221;</p>
<p>The girl says she is 10.</p>
<p>&#8220;Inside Edition&#8221; says that Common Sense Farm packages cosmetics products like Acure and Savannah Bee that are sold by retailers like Whole Foods, Amazon, Target and Walmart.</p>
<p>Acure, which is based in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., says it is no longer contracting with Greener Formulas, a corporate entity tied to Common Sense Farm that does contract work for companies like Acure.</p>
<p>Greener Formulas has two Cambridge facilities, according to Quality Assurance International, or QAI, which is an organic certifying agency for the USDA.</p>
<p>One production facility is located at the 7 Pearl St. and the other is located at 41 North Union St. on the Common Sense Farm property, according to the QAI database that tracts quality control.</p>
<p>The North Union Street facility is the same &#8220;soap shop&#8221; where &#8220;Inside Edition&#8221; filmed its hidden camera video and found children helping to make and package products for Acure and Savannah Bee Co.</p>
<p>According to QAI&#8217;s database, Greener Formulas processed several of Acure&#8217;s products, including its  Brilliantly Brightening Glowing Serum, its Radically Rejuvenating Facial Toner Tonique, its Essentials Flower Balm and others.</p>
<p>&#8220;The serious allegations raised against the facility in Cambridge, New York are abhorrent and go against our values as a company,&#8221; Acure said in a statement. &#8220;We are no longer working with Greener Formulas and have pulled all production out of that facility.&#8221;</p>
<p>Acure said in a separate Facebook post that it had never had any contact with the Twelve Tribes group, only the Greener Formulas entity, which it had trusted until now.</p>
<p>&#8220;This was based on our confidence in the facility&#8217;s USDA organic certification, which requires manufacturers to meet rigorous standards and undergo an annual review and inspection process,&#8221; Acure wrote. &#8220;We require our vendors to abide by all labor laws.&#8221;</p>
<p>Acure said it is undertaking a larger audit of its other facilities in California, New Mexico and New Jersey.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those audits will link each product on our website to the place it was made and be open for customer inspection. We are using this as an opportunity to better ourselves and make our supply chain wide open for our customers view. In the meantime, we commend the undercover investigative efforts that may have exposed utterly reprehensible conduct at Greener Formulas,&#8221; the company wrote. &#8220;We look forward to proving ourselves and earning back your trust.&#8221;</p>
<p>Savannah Bee also dropped the Twelve Tribes after the &#8220;Inside Edition&#8221; story broke.</p>
<p>&#8220;As a result, we have terminated our relationship with this vendor,&#8221; Savannah Bee posted on its Facebook page. &#8220;At Savannah Bee, we take great pride in our products, from the ingredients we use to the way they are produced. Our company values and policies do not tolerate child labor. Our contracts with all of our manufacturing vendors explicitly prohibit any child labor. Any manufacturing vendor found to be violating our contract in this manner is also violating our company values and standards.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another former Twelve Tribes member who talked with &#8220;Inside Edition,&#8221; Shuah Jones, spoke to the Times Union as well.</p>
<p>Jones, 31, said her father, David Jones, was one of the three founding members of the sect, but she left when she was 15 years old. She said her brother was also in the group and was injured working on a logging crew when he was 10. At the time, Jones lived on a Twelve Tribes farm in Coxsackie.</p>
<p>Jones said she regularly worked in the cosmetics factory.</p>
<p>&#8220;At 8 years old I was sitting on a high stool working the factory line making the Estée Lauder Origins Salt Scrub,&#8221; Jones said. &#8220;The stuff still makes me throw up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jones, who lives in Clearwater, Fla., and works as an insurance agent, blames government authorities who have not pursued the group&#8217;s practices hard enough over the years.</p>
<p>&#8220;They get bolder and more fearless each time they get away with it,&#8221; Jones said.</p>
<p>Twelve Tribes did not respond to requests for comment. The group has locations and businesses across upstate New York, New England and other states like Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia and Florida.</p>
<p>The state Department of Labor said it has also begun investigating various Twelve Tribes locations across the state in Coxsackie, Oak Hill, Oneonta, Ithaca and Hamburg.</p>
<p>Sinasta Colucci, who wrote a book about the Twelve Tribes and lives in Michigan, said after the &#8220;Inside Edition&#8221; story broke, a Twelve Tribes member issued a statement to him that defended the way the group treats children.</p>
<p>&#8220;We make no apologies that we include our children in the tasks of our life,&#8221; reads the statement, which Colucci posted to Facebook on his author page. &#8220;They wash dishes, they pull weeds in the garden, they sweep the floor. &#8230; Most of those children were there on a Sunday visiting their parents on their own property. If they were putting tubes in boxes, it was for minutes, not hours, not days. The soap shop is on their home. It is their place.&#8221;</p>
<p>When &#8220;Inside Edition&#8221; chief investigative correspondent, Lisa Guerrero, confronted a Twelve Tribes leader outside of the farm for her story, the man denied on camera that the group uses child workers.</p>
<p>&#8220;We don&#8217;t use children in our factories,&#8221; the unidentified man told Guerrero. &#8220;We don&#8217;t have factories. &#8230; We don&#8217;t use child labor.&#8221;</p>
<p>Guerrero told the Times Union in a phone interview on Tuesday that she was struck by the fact that the Common Sense Farm soap factory was just 75 yards away from where she had confronted the man in his car.</p>
<p>&#8220;For him to deny there is a factory is pretty amazing,&#8221; Guerrero said.</p>
<p>Guerrero said she and her &#8220;Inside Edition&#8221; team had been working on the story since last summer. The hidden camera video was taken last fall. &#8220;Inside Edition&#8221; producer Zara Lockshin went undercover and spent several days on the farm with a hidden camera recording life on the commune.</p>
<p>Guerrero said she is most concerned about the children that live with the Twelve Tribes, which has also faced allegations of child abuse in the past.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are really hoping that because of that report that we&#8217;ll be able to see some productive change here,&#8221; Guerrero said.</p>
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