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		<title>Death of the first church</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the early church there were hundreds of clans and every one of them died out.  Today there is no remnant left out of all those communities.  They lost their light by the second century.  (Rev. 2:5).  It was removed because they lost their first love.  When you have lost your first love you are...]]></description>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16144">In the early church there were hundreds of clans and every one of them died out.  Today there is no remnant left out of all those communities.  They lost their light by the second century.  (Rev. 2:5).  It was removed because they lost their first love.  When you have lost your first love you are cut off from Israel, you are accursed. &#8211; Members of Messiah  4/15/90</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16149">The first church sought YHWH long enough to establish the 12 tribes, but didn&#8217;t endure. &#8211; Burnt Offering</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16154">For 1900 years the church and the world have been carrying on an affair.  No longer is there roots of any spiritual nature in the age old foundation.  Neither root nor branch is left.  Babylon cannot be healed.  Healing had been applied but there is no foundation for it, no constitution. &#8211; Apostasy &#8211; Apostate Israel</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16159">The first church, that new Israel, came into the covenant and vowed themselves to be violent men (Matt. 11:12).  But less than fifty years later, their silence turned to passivity.  They began in full moon and waned …. &#8211; Burnt Offering, Sus  3/12/89</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16164">We see how the first church was destroyed written all through the epistles.  They erred and fell away because they lost their first love, did not remain in His loving kindness, did not receive Paul’s authority, and received another gospel, spirit, yahshua.  They allowed people to come in over the wall (thieves and robbers, Jn. 10).  They did not see to it that no one missed the grace of God and many were defiled. &#8211; Stone III, Sus  5/28/89</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16169">The first church fell away because they stopped confessing their sins. &#8211; Abide 1988</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16174">As soon as the first church lost their power and lamp stands, the last remnants, ‘the last little bit’ of the Holy Spirit eked out. &#8211; Stone III, Sus 5/28/89</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16179">The early church failed to pass on the Holy Spirit to their children.  Therefore their lamp stand was taken away.  If they could not pass the Holy Spirit to their own children, how could they pass Him on to their spiritual children? &#8211; Elders and Deacons</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16184">In the first century the church was on the earth but then for the last 1800 years or so, it has been in heaven &#8211; for there was no real church on earth …. Tribe  12/14/92</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16189">The first church quit seeking for YHWH and one by one, each person fell away until there was not even a remnant left on earth of those who sought for YHWH.  There were a few overcomers, but they eventually died, and so the first church, early in the second century, turned into Christianity.  They were without God.  They had a form of godliness…. He was not king of the house of Jacob on earth anymore &#8211; only in heaven.  So there was no longer a light &#8211; a witness on earth.  The first church was dead (on earth). &#8211; Keeping Covenants/Blood Covenant  12/19/92</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16194">The first church developed and fell and 1900 years have gone by and nothing has happened.  It is like YAHSHUA came and died and rose and nothing happened.  Messiah had nothing.  Messiah was cut off and had nothing. &#8211; Israel M’Susah  11/26/89</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16199">The Twelve Tribes by the turn from the first to the second century had a dead faith….. No longer was the gospel they preached valid, since no sent ones were available to preach faith to anyone.  The church died since the false gospel could not put anyone to death that they might live a new life in Yahshua Ha Mashiyach. &#8211; Two Ransoms # 6 &#8211; What Shall A Man Give In Exchange For His Soul</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16204">All those saved by Paul’s ministry in Acts 20 lost their first love (40 years later)  The end result of Paul’s labor was all in vain.  They lost their lamp stand and were no longer a church …. &#8211; Self Control and The Fruit of the Spirit</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16211">In the first church the glory left.  The church actually decreased, declined in its glory.  Its glory waned and waned and waned until there was no more moon. &#8211; Glory &#8211; John 17</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16216">For 1900 years He has not had a people on earth (only in heaven), but now in these last days His people are being restored like a root out of dry ground.  [From the seed that was preserved in heaven from Rev. 3:4]. &#8211; Willing</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16221">The first church stopped confessing their sins.  Their sins piled up to heaven.  Since self-judgment had stopped, the candlesticks were blown out. &#8211; David’s Heart</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16226">Not one Edah survived; they all died.  They were given over to the enemy.  The Holy Spirit left.  The life left.  You won’t find any remnant of the first church today, no way…. &#8211; Witness to the Resurrection of Yahshua</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16231">It was the responsibility of each member of the first church to continue living in the sovereignty of Yahshua.  They didn’t do it.  They received His sovereignty initially but they didn’t continue in it (Deut 28).  They were all lawless, not submitted to God, to His delegated authority, to His Lordship or sovereignty of Yahshua.  I John 3:4; Rev. 3:2, 5 Many were lawless, they were sinning without confessing their sins.  They weren’t judging themselves right.  They were not able to examine themselves right, due to apathy masquerading as maturity and they didn&#8217;t know that they were poor and blind and naked. &#8211; The Demise</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16236">For over 1,900 years, there’s been many cupfuls, buckets full, of cold water poured on the original Edah. And its dead.  But now! &#8211; The Prophets Must Speak</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_16238">Fifty years after Pentecost the lamp stand was removed from most of its places.  After another fifty years the children of the children all died.  The Spirit left the first edah.  Christianity was born after 50 years from Pentecost.  The leaven penetrated the whole loaf after another fifty years &#8211; three to four generations.  The Spirit was not given to one soul after the lamp stand was removed from out of its places.  It took about 50 years for all the saints of overcomers, those who had not stained their garments, to die off. &#8211; The Guilty Fathers</div>
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		<title>Quotes confirming Spriggs Authority</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spriggs Receives Unparalleled Adulation, Praise and Position “It grieves me that I was not connected or attached to Yoneq (Spriggs) ….Dullness prompted me to call you, when Yoneq should have been the one I sought wisdom from….All this stuff about Ayal’s baptism came about without Yoneq’s approval or knowledge of what was happening!” “Yoneq wants...]]></description>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18469"><strong>Spriggs Receives Unparalleled Adulation, Praise and Position</strong></div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18474">“It grieves me that I was not connected or attached to Yoneq (Spriggs) ….Dullness prompted me to call you, when Yoneq should have been the one I sought wisdom from….All this stuff about Ayal’s baptism came about without Yoneq’s approval or knowledge of what was happening!”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18479">“Yoneq wants him to come to full repentance and be sorry for all he has done.  I was working against this!  Ayal will be restored by a ruling government who are attached and connected to Yoneq.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18484">“I am a brother who was independent in my thinking and deeds.  For weeks my heart has been grieved at my lack of loyalty to Yoneq.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18486">Letter Sent to Deshe, 2/8/94, p. 1</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18491">“My three dear brothers and friends.  I am writing this to you by way of commission by our apostle….I know that all of you there are filled with the life that Yoneq (Spriggs) has lavished on you.  We are beginning to have this life revive our faint and weakened souls as his coming has been a most waited for and treasured event.” &#8211; Defensiveness, Letter Given to Three Brothers by an Unnamed Sister, undated, p. 1</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18496">“The day when I heard that you would come in a few weeks, I was crying out so much.  I didn’t know how to continue &#8211; I was really finished.  But when we heard you were coming, that gave me strength to go on.  I can’t wait until you arrive &#8211; I long for you so much…..I appreciate you so much.” &#8211; Letter to Yoneq and Ha-emeq from Shua, (Member Messianic Communities) 6/94.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18503">“I often heard in the Communities that you need to judge a tree by its fruit.  That is unless you are judging the Communities fruit! Or Yoneq!  What applies to the goose doesn’t apply to the gander.”  &#8211; Letter from Former Member</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18508">2. Only Spriggs Gives Teachings</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18513">“I (Yoneq) heard from Derush in Judah that as he was teaching about mercy from a teaching I taught here a few months ago, which Baherah had typed up, a young 18 year old woman began weeping and cried out for salvation.” &#8211; The New Age Movement Philosophy, 2/22/93, Brazil.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18518">“Havah &#8211; ‘I want to share how thankful I am for the teachings (Spriggs’ interpretations &#8211; rp).’ ” &#8211; Authority 6, 9/26/90, p. 10.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18523">“After this, Yoneq continued to feed the flock.” &#8211; Ahavah 3, 9/13/89,</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18525">p. 2.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18530">“Dear Abigail and Yowceph,</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18535">Probably if I attempted to write a shorter letter it would be easier to get out to you sooner.  My heart is so full of the new revelations that I find it difficult to make my letter shorter.  I realize you are depending on letters from us to hear of the new things Yoneq is teaching.  Much encouragement is coming to the body through the teachings on the Sabbath.  There is so much to be said on the Sabbath, in fact our whole lives are focused on the Sabbath.  Apart from the Sabbath we will never know Him or His victory or His purpose for the age to come.” &#8211; Personal Correspondence, 1989.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18540">“To all the places where Yahshua the Messiah is Sovereign: For the sake of everybody:</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18545">A while ago Yoneq taught a teaching to the married men in Sus.  Yoceph was commissioned to communicate this teaching to Judah, in order to prepare us for the day when this teaching would be taught here.” &#8211; Personal Correspondence, 1989.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18550">“In his November 15, 1988, teaching on Natural Law, Kharash contrasted the American and French Revolutions…..Kharash went on to say that Thomas Jefferson popularized the French way of thinking in government.  Kharash further went on to say that Thomas Jefferson believed in the philosophy of pacifism by which he nearly ruined America.  Yoneq had spoken very highly of Thomas Jefferson, whose Declaration of Independence stated that men were endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights and to secure these rights governments were established by men.” &#8211; 10/10/88, What is Capitalism</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18557">“After hearing things like that, it is difficult to hear Jefferson described as a subverter of the fundamental ideals of the Constitution.” &#8211; Concerning Teaching History, p. 7.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18562">“Prophets need to understand the teaching of the Apostle….’prophets are supports.’ ” Dicky Cantrell (Sameach), personal notes.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18567">3. Spriggs Calls Himself an Apostle</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18572">“I must begin by saying that the only authority I have to be called an apostle is my fruit.  Of course authority comes from God, but is recognized by men according to its fruit its practicality (sic).” &#8211; Apostolic Role, 1976 or 1977, p. 1</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18577">“Even though he’s told us he doesn’t want us to mention his name much at all to people, There is really only one apostle, Yoneq who rules completely.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18582">“To question His authority is to oppose God.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18584">“He is “the anointing” everyone refers to.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18586">“He is the “mind of the body” on all important matters.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18588">“All is unity….because all obey Yoneq which is obeying God.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18590">Letter from Former Member</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18595">“The saying, ‘Grace thrives under scrutiny” which is often applied to you when people want to examine your life (bring you closer to the chopping block) doesn’t apply to Yoneq.” &#8211; Letter from Former Member</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18600">“I need to pray for them and specifically, The Creator and his angels are more than able to remove or change Yoneq.” &#8211; Letter from Former Member</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18605">4. Judgment and Condemnation Over Other’s Lives</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18610">“This issue is most clearly seen in the extreme case of Zechariah in Sus.  Not only did he use his position of responsibility in training to spend so much time in libraries (Eccles 12:12), he accumulated the evidence he desired to come against the anointing about the Cham teaching.  He filled up his children with a steady stream of knowledge….This made them feel superior….Libraries are concentrations of the world’s knowledge where it is possible to ingest lethal doses of it.  Zechariah is now reprobate, one whom the righteous are to despise (Psalm 15:4).” &#8211; Literature Meeting, 3/5/92,</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18614">p. 8</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18619">“Zechariah Martin is a prime example of this &#8211; he’d do crafty things and think he could get away with it.  Versatile cleverness is being Community wise &#8211; people like this know exactly what to say to get people to accept their repentance.  Zechariah knew what to do to get along &#8211; he’s learned the ropes and he knows what to say and how to say it in a sophisticated, versatile clever way &#8211; to make people believe him.  He has unscrupulous conduct &#8211; evil treachery, deceptive scheming, sly shrewdness (strong’s #3834).” &#8211; The Personality of God in Us, 8/25/94, p. 2.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18624">“James Howell worked in his natural gifting, and it didn’t build up the Body.  He was a pretender (but he claimed to see).  So all his guilt remains on him forever and ever.  There is no forgiveness for him and his punishment will never let up.” &#8211; By the Grace and Strength He Supplies, 6/8/94, p. 3.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18631">“Michael Painter, Bill Tiller, James Howell had contention and selfishness around them.  They functioned in their natural ability and strength.  Then fifteen years later they leave.  Just think what would have happened if they had grace and had surrendered all to Messiah.  They will do good in the world and make money but they didn’t surrender to the coming King.  Their unforgivable sin was John 9:39-41.” &#8211; Morning Sacrifice, 1/29/94, p. 6.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18636">“Whoever has the Holy Spirit and leaves the Body is turned over to Death and they don’t live long.  If they don’t have the Holy Spirit, they can do well &#8211; like Michael Painter (he’s doing good, living it up &#8211; he’s got an 18ft. power boat and a cabin in the Smokey Mountains &#8211; somehow he has really taken off).  You can learn really good things in the Edah and then leave and prosper…..He was here and talked about Yahshua, but he was never a peacemaker…. When you went to Michael Painter there was always complaint in him and contention going on between him and his wife or someone else in the Body.  There was always a root of bitterness and we were continually forgiving him….We promoted him based on his natural abilities.” -</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18638">Reading Our Freepapers, 7/13/94, p. 3.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18643">The Case of Hobab</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18650">“It was a very serious thing what Hobab did &#8211; he thought he could pick and choose what he wanted to do this morning and then just come to the sacrifice and say, “I’m sorry.”  When you cut yourself off it’s like leaving the body!  You didn’t physically leave, but you left the life and hope, just like others have done; committing a fatal sin.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18655">“What you did by staying in bed was just as bad a sin against Messiah and His Body Acts 22:8. Eph 4:16…”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18660">“When you come to the sacrifice you should tear your clothes, untie your hair, and put your hand over your mouth and cry, “Unclean! Unclean!”  Let others know you have leprosy &#8211; Let others know you are out of fellowship.  Expose your self and ask for help.  It is a serious thing.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18665">“(Yoneq speaking to Hobab) &#8211; If you had really wanted to do  something about your withered condition, you would have been here this morning to expose it to let us know.  But you didn’t come &#8211; you obstinately and deliberately stayed in bed &#8211; so you may as well have packed your bags and deserted Messiah.  If the Holy Spirit is willing to forgive you, we are willing.  We are waiting to hear what our Father’s judgment is.  Of course, we don’t know what our Father is going to speak until He meets with us here in this place.  We can’t say “Amen” unless the Holy Spirit is saying “amen.”  There is no way of pre-planning what our Father will say.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18670">“Hobab, I want you to see what you’ve done so you will never do it again.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18675">“(Hobab said he wanted to repent for missing the morning sacrifice and not exposing his withered condition so that he could be helped).”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18680">“Do we feel like he should be restored or cut off for a few more days so that he can see the severity of what he did?  (There was a short silence and no one responded, so Yoneq persisted in asking).  What should we do?  Do we want to restore him and help him?  You decide.  You’re the body of Messiah.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18685">“(Hobab started to cry and repented for putting Yahshua to public shame and for not coming to the sacrifice and extending his withered hand).”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1477920866523_18690">“He’s sorry for not coming and extending his withered hand.”</div>
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		<description><![CDATA[ TT (Yoneq/Spriggs) teachings concerning being “perfect” for outsiders and withholding the truth or outright lying in order to “make a stand:” “The only thing we have to be perfect in now is confessing our sins and speaking to people on the outside.  Or your conscience will haunt you night and day.” “There is a difference...]]></description>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19501"> TT (Yoneq/Spriggs) teachings concerning being “perfect” for outsiders and withholding the truth or outright lying in order to “make a stand:”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19506">“The only thing we have to be perfect in now is confessing our sins and speaking to people on the outside.  Or your conscience will haunt you night and day.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19511">“There is a difference between bearing false witness and concealing a matter (not telling the truth) that others have forfeited their right to know because of their hostile and evil attitude toward God.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19513">November 29, 1988  Phase 2 Teaching Yoneq pg. 1</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19518">“Sometimes we make a stand with the truth by not revealing the truth or by our answers that are or are not true.”  November 29, 1988  Phase 2  Teaching &#8211; Yoneq pg. 1</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19523">2.  Teachings that demonstrate Yoneq/Spriggs speaks for God.  In the</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19531">     quote below, understand the only one who the TT considers to have “delegated authority” from God is Yoneq/Spriggs.  So what he in fact is saying is to obey himself without argument as you would obey God.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19536">“All who know God and know authority will obey his word, will obey Him, will obey His delegated authority without argument.  Acts 3:23 &#8211; If we do not obey every word he speaks to us we will be cut-off.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19538">November 18, 1990  Reasoning  pg. 4</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19545">3.  Quotes concerning Yoneq/Spriggs being in fact the Elijah and having God’s authority.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19550">Note, the following quote is regarding a woman who died of cancer who was a long time member of the TT.  They could not explain her untimely death without finding some fault in her life or unconfessed sin.  She was accused of speaking ill of Yoneq once years before and therefore rejecting God’s authority and not“receiving” Elijah.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19555">“No way if Mary disrespected God’s authority could faith come to heal her &#8211; Numbers 12 No way her children could be saved Malachi 4:5 If (you) don’t receive Elijah (you) don’t receive (the) anointing (your) children will be accursed &#8211; no hope.”  September 2, 1990  Apostolic</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19557">Workers Meeting  pg. 5</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19562">“Keli told us we can know the spirit of Elijah is in our midst because of how we are continually brought back to the necessity of turning our heart to our children.”  Aug. 6, 1996  Apostolic Workers Meeting pg. 3</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19569">4.  Quotes concerning there being no true church for the last 1900 years:</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19574">“Everything has been in abeyance for at least 1900 years &#8211; put off for a future generation to fulfill.  Abeyance &#8211; put off, it’s no longer in existence.  There is no people of God; there is no holy nation; there is no twelve-tribes nation; there has been no one keeping the way of YHWH for 1900 years &#8211; it has been in abeyance.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19576">April 9, 1995  The Fall of the First Church  pg. 3</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19581">“Therefore the evil one has been a ruler for 1900 years.  They crucified the very Son of God &#8211; YHWH in the flesh.  They killed Him!  It proves who is in control of the world &#8211; Satan rules the whole world.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19583">April 9, 1995  The Fall of the First Church</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19590">5.  TT teaching concerning people’s right to “reason” or think for themselves vs. submitting to authority.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19595">“Many people are enslaved by a spirit of reason.  They will only come when they are called and go where they are sent when it seems right to them.  They always want to know a reason.  If they are under this bondage of reasoning, sooner or later slanderous words will come out of their mouth against authority and there will be no possibility of escape from death.”  November 18, 1990  Reasoning</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19600">6.  TT teachings concerning beating children until they bleed:</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19605">“Under discipline accomplishes nothing.  It is better not to discipline our children at all &#8211; “the blueness of the wound drives away all evil.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19607">October 1980  Child Training &#8211; Notes from Teachers Meeting &#8211; pg. 5</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19612">“Unless your son has blue wounds, by this standard, you know what kind of a standard is in you &#8211; it is the spirit that hates your son.  If one is overly concerned about his son receiving blue marks you know that he hates his son and hates the word of God.” &#8211; No date &#8211; Execution of</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19614">Justice  pg. 1</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19625">7.  TT quotes concerning being “cut-off” due to not submitting to authority or the teachings of Yoneq.  A member can be “cut-off”  within the community and not allowed to participate in social  activity or be asked to leave.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19632">“What do we have that’s greater than our attachment (staying connected) to our Master, Yahshua, and His people?  Do we think that we can put aside our life for awhile and leave the Community and go out and do other things and then come back?”  &#8211; May 19, 1994 The</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19634">Seriousness of Being Cut-Off From Messiah  pg. 5</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19639">“In the nations if you join the army and go to battle and desert the battle you could be imprisoned or even killed.  (A deserter is worthy of death &#8211; if he falls into the hands of the enemy he will betray you).  It’s a serious thing to be in a battle and desert your troop.  You have to see that we’re in a war here.  This is our Father’s army and you can’t so easily come back.  We made a pledge at baptism not to leave.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19641">May 19, 1994  The Seriousness of Being Cut-Off from Messiah  pg. 3</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19651">8.  TT(Yoneq/Spriggs) quotes concerning followers becoming gods of  their own galaxy:</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19656">“We are going to be holy people.  Holy, set apart by the Holy Spirit to accomplish His will.  The day will come when each one of you has a galaxy to rule over.”  [Source: “The Three Eternal Destinies # 74 - Three Categories of Man 5” - Nov. 19, 1996  Morning Minchah, Reuben Teaching identifier 961119A]</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1476279588454_19661">“Rev. 1:6; 5:10 &#8211; He has made us to be kings and priests &#8211; that’s who we are!  We will rule over galaxies.  When people of the nations see us, it will be just like seeing the Father (Jn. 14:9).  We will bear His name, His character, His image, His authority.”  [Source: “Salvation is a Free Gift (But who Does He Give it to?)”  December 1997 Coxsackie, N.Y. Teaching identifier 9712T08]</div>
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		<description><![CDATA[What does the community really teach about lying? We went there to intentionally evade the truth.  Now I realize how wrong that was.  &#8211; Spoken by Former member Here, we are hoping to ‘lay low’ with the school authorities until we all move together to Lindach.  Somehow someone reported that we have children here who...]]></description>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_20955">What does the community really teach about lying?</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_20960">We went there to intentionally evade the truth.  Now I realize how wrong that was.  &#8211; Spoken by Former member</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_20965">Here, we are hoping to ‘lay low’ with the school authorities until we all move together to Lindach.  Somehow someone reported that we have children here who do not attend school. &#8211; Inter Tribal News, March 1996, News from South Germany</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_20970">When there was a set back the police told our little group to leave the area.  We couldn’t even stay in the parking lot….  What else could we do but leave the exit?  Someone started to tell the others, but I stopped them.  It was better for the rest not to know. &#8211; Inter Tribal News, May 1996, News from Hamburg, NY</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_20975">We are obligated by conscience and the Holy Spirit to never lie.  But to not tell the truth is not a lie.  The truth is hidden from someone who does not deserve to have it. &#8211; All liars, p. 2, undated</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_20980">We could tell them that we are Christians or believers just like them, trying to relate as much as possible otherwise a red flag goes up and they think we are another religion or cult that has nothing to do with the Jesus of the Scriptures. &#8211; Inter Tribal News, February 1996, News from Asher</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_20985">We sent them a long list of doctrinal questions in which few of these were answered.  They said (members in the Twelve Tribes), don’t answer any of their questions about doctrine.  They need Yahshua.  If you get into doctrine before they visit this will just scare them off and they won’t be able to receive life. &#8211; Excerpt from letter from Former member</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_20990">Spriggs calls himself an Apostle.  “I must begin by saying that the only authority I have to be called an Apostle is my fruit.  Of course authority comes from God, but is recognized by men according to its fruit its practicality (sic).” &#8211; Apostolic Role, 1976 or 1977, p.1</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_20995">“Well, I don’t even know why they call me an Apostle.  I don’t like to be called an Apostle.  I don’t call myself an Apostle…..”  &#8211; Elbert Spriggs, Bozeman/Palmer Interview, June 1994</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21000">Our definition of lying means the intentional deception of those who have a right to know.  The need to know for the sake of justice and righteousness &#8211; then we are obligated to tell them it’s true. &#8211; Lying  11/29/88</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21005">Not telling the truth to someone who doesn’t deserve the truth isn’t lying. &#8211; Lying  11/29/88</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21010">Transcripts from Televised Program</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21015">Eddie Wiseman: “We don’t know where Steve Wooten is.”  Jerry Springer: “And you can’t find him?”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21020">Wiseman: “I can’t find him and I do not know where Steve is.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21025">Chronicle Video &#8211; February 1998</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21030">Mary Richardson: “The Messianic Community continues to deny it helped Steve Wooten when he was a fugitive from the law.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21035">Nate Wooten: “Of course, people knew our location because they were the ones telling us where to go….  I am happy to know that my mom isn’t the bad person she was made out to be.”  (Community members told both boys she had AIDS and was untouchable).</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21040">Richardson: “They (the boys) are sad about their father’s insistence that the church didn’t harbor them.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21042">Nate Wooten: “They said they didn’t have anything to do with it, and my dad continually said, ‘No, they didn’t do it.  They didn’t participate.  That is the biggest lie I have ever heard.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21047">Geraldo Video &#8211; October 1997</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21052">Tim Wooten: “They would move me around and that is how they would use you.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21057">(Both boys have testified in affidavits that they met with Twelve Tribes leaders while living underground, had seen Spriggs (Yoneq), Eddie Wiseman, and Jeannie Swantko (lawyer of the group); and possessed the phone numbers of the leaders in their pockets).</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21062">The Journal &#8211; October 1983</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21064">(CBC) (This is a short interchange about alleged child abuse in the Community).</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21069">Community Member (CM): “The mind that you have on it and the mind that I have on it are different and that’s how you have come to say it because the mind you have isn’t the mind I have.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21074">Reporter (R): “So, it’s okay to lie to me because I’m coming in the wrong spirit.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21079">CM: “I’m not lying to you ‘cause it’s the spirit, it’s the spirit that counts.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21084">R: “How can you talk yourself into this?  If you tell me a bare faced lie in front of your God, and (then) you can tell me that’s okay because I’ve come here in the wrong spirit.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21089">CM: “It’s true spirit.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21094">R: “I can’t believe how you talk yourself into it.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21099">CM: “Let’s say I lied to you.”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21101">R: “So why did you do that?”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21106">CM: “I didn’t think it was a lie but the more I come to it, it was a lie.”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21111">R: “So, what is the truth?”</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475685436369_21116">CM: “I couldn’t tell you that because you wouldn’t understand.”</div>
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		<title>Child Discipline</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“When there is a stubborn child you should shorten the child’s life?” Whether is a stubborn child you should shorten the child’s life.  It limits the family. &#8211; Training up our children in the way they should go Yesterday I was down at the river and Yochanan (Haggai’s son) was swimming and I saw that...]]></description>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475070264075_20154">Whether is a stubborn child you should shorten the child’s life.  It limits the family. &#8211; Training up our children in the way they should go</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475070264075_20159">Yesterday I was down at the river and Yochanan (Haggai’s son) was swimming and I saw that he had stripes on his bottom.  I thought that if there were other people there and they saw those marks, they would know that he has a father who loves his him. &#8211; Breaking of Bread  7/15/89</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475070264075_20164">From the cradle to the grave you must discipline your children.  From the age of 6 months you would start disciplining them with a rod on the palm of their hands and then you would stop when they are about one year old.  From there you would discipline the children with a rod on their buttocks until they submit ….. Elbert Spriggs (Yoneq)</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475070264075_20169">Our children need to fear the rod.  The severity of our discipline should cause them to never want to be disciplined again.  Don’t be afraid of your “baby.”  That he is going to be more than you can handle if you confront his bad attitudes or deal with his disobedience.  For we have no other purpose than to deal with our children…  So, take action and “beat the tar out of him.” &#8211; Letter from Abel  4/6/85</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475070264075_20174">The method needs to be controlled, slow and hard.  He should never want another wippen (sic) as long as he lives.  Elders Meeting 2/11/78</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475070264075_20179">Reproof gives wisdom to the child.  Submission comes only through reverent submission (fear) of the Lord.  Execute judgment and draw blood. &#8211; Elders Meeting 2/11/78</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475070264075_20184">A six month old baby can be trained what no means.  Lightly use the rod and your hand.  When the baby is wiggling when their diaper is changed, spank them to stop wiggling. &#8211; Apostolic Workers Meeting 3/16/88</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475070264075_20186">A man who beats his son frequently will reap the benefits.  He will be proud of him among his acquaintances. &#8211; Letter from Abel 4/6/85</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475070264075_20191">Bend his neck and bruise his ribs while he is young.  Allow him no independence in childhood, or he will hurt you very deeply.  Be strict with your son and persevere if not then you will nurture his insolence.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1475070264075_20193">- Letter from Abel  4/6/85</div>
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		<title>Yoneq = “Apostle”</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Shimon: “I  want to repent for my dullness.  I’m so thankful for the sensitivity and discernment Yoneq possesses.  I know I am affected deeply by my past involvement in Christianity.  I was blind in asking Grace to sing that song last night.  It was an admixture.  It is a wicked spirit that brings good feelings...]]></description>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11817">“Shimon: “I  want to repent for my dullness.  I’m so thankful for the sensitivity and discernment Yoneq possesses.  I know I am affected deeply by my past involvement in Christianity.  I was blind in asking Grace to sing that song last night.  It was an admixture.  It is a wicked spirit that brings good feelings from good words.” &#8211; Desire 1991, p. 14</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11822">“Fortunately, Yoneq was our first guest, putting an end to the never-ending increase of our need for air conditioners.  Our only-at-night air conditioners had increased to the Sabbath’s nap times and whenever we were in our rooms for any length of time.” &#8211; ibid, p. 17.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11827">“In his November 15, 1988, teaching on Natural Law, Kharash contrasted the American and French Revolutions…. Kharash went on to say that Thomas Jefferson popularized the French way of thinking in government.  Kharash further went on to say that Thomas Jefferson believed in the philosophy of pacifism by which he nearly ruined America.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11829">     Yoneq had spoken very highly of Thomas Jefferson, whose Declaration of Independence stated that men were endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights and to secure these rights governments were established by men (October 10, 1988, What Is Capitalism?).  After hearing things like that, it is difficult to hear Jefferson described as a subverter of the fundamental ideals of the Constitution.” &#8211; Concerning Teaching History, p. 7.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11836">“….Here at the schoolhouse Yoneq is very happy to have Gidon (ben Raphael) and Michael (ben Beniah) working with him.  Yoneq thinks of what to do and they build it for him …..”</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11838">     Israel came a few minutes later and told Yoneq what Michael had said on the phone.  Calling Michael and Gidon, Phineas and myself into a room, he rebuked Michael sharply saying, ‘Never in the 17 years of the community have I been treated with such disrespect.’  He went on to expose Michael’s wickedness in not being satisfied to just be still for a while but needing to have some lawless activity to fill him.  He told him he would not permit him to do any work, taking the spray can out of his hand &#8211; for he had disdained the small job of spray painting the light fixtures.  He had no relation with our Master if he had to be working all the time in order to have peace.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11840">     Yoneq left the room in extreme displeasure telling he and Gidon that they could just sit in their room until their ‘savior’ Derush came to get them.  (But he also said that even their work in Boston could not continue because it was just Rasha).” &#8211; Personal Correspondence, undated</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11845">“As the entire body here in Sus gathered into the entrance hall at Tabitha’s Place, Yoneq continued teaching, amidst translations in German, Spanish and French, about the training of our children, conflict, authority and reasoning.” &#8211; Authority 4, p. 1.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11850">“Dear Abigail and Yowceph,</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11852">     Probably if I attempted to write a shorter letter it would be easier to get out to you sooner.  My heart is so full of the new revelations that I find it difficult to make my letter shorter.  I realize you are depending on letters from us to hear of the new things Yoneq is teaching.  Much encouragement is coming to the body through the teachings on the Sabbath.  There is so much to be said on the Sabbath, in fact our whole lives are focused on the Sabbath.  Apart from the Sabbath we will never know Him or His victory or His purpose for the age to come.” &#8211; Personal Correspondence, 1989.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11857">“Dear Obadiah,</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11859">     I’m writing this letter to you in repentance for having been negligent to you and disobedient to writing to you about what Yoneq taught here.  I wish you could communicate my repentance to all those who were in the meeting in which he was hindered from teaching because of my disobedience.  I truly repent and desire that this letter would be true fruit of that repentance.” &#8211; Personal Correspondence from Yoceph, undated</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11867">“Dear Yoceph,</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11869">     I was truly honored to receive your letter.  I appreciate your heart and mind towards me.  What you wrote has been received and brought to Yoneq’s attention.  We receive your repentance and forgive you.” &#8211; Personal Correspondence from Obadiah, undated</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11874">“To all the places where Yahshua the Messiah is Sovereign:</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11876">     For the sake of everybody:</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11878">     A while ago Yoneq taught a teaching to the married men in Sus.  Yoceph was commissioned to communicate this teaching to Judah, in order to prepare us for the day when this teaching would be taught here.  Well, the day of the teaching came, but the letter hadn’t come yet.  As a result, or without the proper preparation, the teaching was hindered.  As this was brought to Yoceph’s attention, he immediately repented for his negligence by (sic) communicated his sorriness and by doing what he had been asked to do &#8211; writing this letter.  Since many of us had awareness of this matter and were affected by it, we wanted for the sake of your peace as well as for the sake of Yoceph’s peace to communicate his repentance to everybody.  A letter in which we let him know that we have received his repentance and forgive him is being sent to Yoceph.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1479553220411_11880">     May what happened teach a good lesson to all of us.  May the right fear concerning negligence come to all of us, that we all might learn and increase.  The small word “immediately” in Matt. 25:16 as well as “in the same manner’ in verse 17 in the parable of the talents reveals the heart and attitude of those who increase.” &#8211; Personal Correspondence, undated</div>
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		<title>Elijah and the Spirit of Elijah</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The king of the universe is coming to earth (this will change your life).  A question of two things a question of reality and power.  The contest between those who are speaking is a matter of deeds.  I Jn. 3:18  The ELIJAH will be be the embodiment of the power of God ministering spirit and...]]></description>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10927">The king of the universe is coming to earth (this will change your life).  A question of two things a question of reality and power.  The contest between those who are speaking is a matter of deeds.  I Jn. 3:18  The ELIJAH will be be the embodiment of the power of God ministering spirit and life from the living and true God.  Whoever comes in contact with a ministry for good or evil, experiences the presence of God.  The path of the Elijah will be a path no other has tread or could tread.  Matt. 17:11</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10932">He will be the living realization of the top most height of the mount.  He will walk on heights of the earth.  The type of John the Baptist lifted the axe to the tree for the fruit of repentance.  James 4:4  The enemies of God will be those that profess to be believers but love the world.  John was the forerunner Matt. 3:8 of the King &#8211; the forerunner of the kingdom (the church) produces the Elijah.  The Elijah can only come forth from absolute repentance.  Until one reaches absolute repentance in every aspect of his life, he will not be part of the Elijah.  “He will be one who produces the fruit of repentance.”  He will be one who pleads before God to purify him of the sin that possesses him, to make him one that overcomes because of the Lamb, one that has fellowship with God or who knows emancipation, one who knows peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10937">When Israel’s apostasy had reached its peak, an absolute opposite appeared on the scene for it will be today in Elijah’s day.  The antagonism to Ahab’s and Israel’s apostasy appeared on the scene (the apostasy must first come).  The Elijah will be perfectly mature when the apostasy reaches its maximum.  Elijah (John) dwelt in the wilderness until the time of his appearance.  The Elijah in the apostasy of Israel (the word of the Lord had not been heard in 400 years).  John the Baptist with axe in hand excommunicated the whole nation Israel and called for their baptism.  Matt. 17:11  Elijah always calls for baptism and reconciliation as the enemies of God always do to them as they wish  Matt. 17:9-13.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10939">Matt 3:17 is when Christ knew who He was.  Mal. 4:5 takes a long time.  If you are not diligently raising up your children, you or they are not part of the Elijah.  You must pray for them Prov. 13:24.  Over time diligently discipline them.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10944">Isa. 58:13-14  If we call the Sabbath a delight He will then ride in the heights of the earth.  We receive what we ask because we keep His commands and do what He says.  We are to believe and (equally important) love one another.  I Jn. 3:22; Mal 1:3.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10949">Zeph. 3:11-12 The meal offering cannot be pure unless the burnt offering is pure.  Jesus said have salt with yourselves.  Mark 9:49 Every man’s life must be a salted burnt offering, a sacrifice to God.  The salt of the sacrifice is the purifying fire of affliction.  Rom. 12:1; Mark 9:50 &#8211; Have a heart seasoned with salt (purity) have salt within you &#8211; then you can live at peace with one another.  The fire is the fire of discipline that makes disciples.  I Pet. 1:7-3-7  Matt. 3:11  He baptizes us into where the fire is.  Lev. 2:13; II Chron. 3:5; Covenant of salt peace; Num. 18:19; II Sam. 7:12.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10954">Salt within yourself keeps out leaven and is essential to health and vigor, an eternal preserver of redemption is always seasoned with fire.  We do not refuse God’s work in us, we must not reject the Holy Spirit’s work in our life.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10959">Meal offering &#8211; No ambitious rivalry or self-seeking, selfish intent, no malice (ill will or evil intention) no evil thought in the ministry of Christ.  There is no sin in Him &#8211; likewise for the believers, no ill motive in His service. Eph. 4:5; 5:1-5; Mal. 1:11, 3:2-3.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10964">Meal offering is a perpetual offering in the line of the priest until the king of heaven the Messiah reigns.  It is most holy.  It speaks of all your possessions and property.  Mal. 1:11, 2:3 &#8211; The ministry of Elijah &#8211; the greater part was used for food which represents the offerer’s person and property, body and possessions.  The sanctification of the person and his actions Rom. 12:1.  The Jews will never be made jealous apart from a pure meal offering).  The offering must come from a pure heart without ill motive.  The burnt offering obtained full acceptance for his life so he comes next to give up his whole substance to the Lord who has redeemed him.  The mercies of God compel him to do this along with every one else who is having all things in common.  The meal offering is presented along with some animal sacrifice in order to see the connection between the pardon of sin and his devotion of himself to God.  I Cor. 6:19-20; Heb. 11:14</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10969">Cain’s offering (as a meal offering) could have been acceptable as a meal offering, if it had been founded on the slain Lamb.  Heb. 11:4.  He offered it all as if it were not under the curse, and needed no blood first to wash them.  He sought to be accepted on his own holiness, and militated against a salvation by God.  His work and property substituted for Christ work to pacify his own conscience.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10974">Abel’s righteous deed was offering the burnt offering &#8211; we cannot put the sacrifices work of the Holy Spirit before our justification.  The meal offering was presented daily along with the other sacrifices.  Isaiah 66:20, Lev. 8:35-36.  The people are the meal offering.  The chief offering shows forth Christ and all His work of obedience.  He was subjected to every various suffering (baked).  The burnt offering being presented and consumed &#8211; by absolute obedience to the Father’s will in His human nature and meal offering.  All that belonged to Him, His property (us).  We are accepted as well as His sacrifice, for He and all that is His was forever set apart and accepted by the Father.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10976">Ps. 116:16-19.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10981">It represented Him and all those in Him.  The church is presented to the Father and accepted.  Phil. 2:19 He gave up all (and every one in Him).  He will delight to give up His kingdom to the Father, we must also do the same (Our reasonable acceptable service).  We must rest on the burnt offering.  The meal offering takes salvation out of the realm of doctrine and puts it in the realm of faith and grace (We are saved unto good works (Eph 2:8-10).</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10986">Malachi means “my messenger” written around the time of Ezra and Nehemiah when the returning remnant went into apostasy from lack of vision and motivation.  God had truly stirred up their hearts but they failed to rebuild the walls.  They had come out of Babylon but went into something worse.  There was also a shortage of workers.  The Joshua’s and Caleb’s who have the precise vision to rally around the apostles. (Dan 2:44)</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10991">There are many whose hearts are stirred up, but there is a general lack of precise vision.  This was about 100 years after the captivity of Babylon, and they floundered in the wilderness, waiting for someone to lead them Neh. 1:11.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1474640059888_10996">New. 11:1-13 The reconstitution of Israel.  The building of the walls was first (Baptism I Cor. 16:9 with great opposition.  The renewing of the covenant Neh. 3:17, 7:5  The Lord stirred up multitudes of people, but hardly anyone wanted to pay the price to do it.  They are all Americanized today.</div>
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